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J Kimmel said:
After 4 years of literally blaming trump for everything under the Sun, I’m fascinated by how quiet democrats are considering how outwardly terrible and destructive the new administration is.
“Best recovery ever jack”
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Fwiw, the inflation is BECAUSE the economy recovered so aggressively.

Obviously none of our current economic position has anything to do with the decisions of any previous administration's (going back decades). Despite Trump and Biden claiming otherwise, the President still doesn't control gas prices and economics still don't exist in a vacuum.

I'm as anti partisan as it gets. Financially conservative to moderate, socially liberal. But forever a skeptic. I think Biden isn't any more fit for office than Trump, but at least he attempts to hide the fact he's just making it up as he goes (kind of like parenting). Trump is a career narcissistic conman who at least understood he didn't have to mask his rhetoric because the demo he wanted to appeal to wasn't going to care or question anyway. People just believe him because they want to and it makes them feel better knowing they aren't alone. He's as close to a religion as a human being can be

.. And honestly I just enjoy sitting back and watching the echo chamber.
 
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Cody said:
Fwiw, the inflation is BECAUSE the economy recovered so aggressively.

Obviously none of our current economic position has anything to do with the decisions of any previous administration's (going back decades). Despite Trump and Biden claiming otherwise, the President still doesn't control gas prices and economics still don't exist in a vacuum.

I'm as anti partisan as it gets. Financially conservative to moderate, socially liberal. But forever a skeptic. I think Biden isn't any more fit for office than Trump, but at least he attempts to hide the fact he's just making it up as he goes (kind of like parenting). Trump is a career narcissistic conman who at least understood he didn't have to mask his rhetoric because the demo he wanted to appeal to wasn't going to care or question anyway. People just believe him because they want to and it makes them feel better knowing they aren't alone. He's as close to a religion as a human being can be

.. And honestly I just enjoy sitting back and watching the echo chamber.
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I'm also bipolar politically but I am very disheartened by watching the echo chambers. I have always thought people had some core values. The last 3 or 4 years, especially the last 2 years, I've come to realize the mass of people just want someone to dislike, look down upon, hate and blame. The flip flopping by so many people on issues that seem pretty cut and dried to me is baffling. The inconsistency is crazy. If you believe something, you should hold to that even when it isn't convenient to you personally at the moment.
 
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Hickey said:
In this context, that satisfies the definition of a cult.
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Ya, it's got a little bit of both actually. He tries to make the higher power to be America and service to him is service to that higher power. It's also a generally more mainstream belief system, although outdated IMO, so it doesn't stand out as being total lunacy. It probably sways more to the cult side since his followers loyalty is towards him, nor the "higher power" he claims to serve.

My org comm degree was like 90% stuff like this. Too bad I was too busy wheelin back then to pay much attention lol
 
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Cody said:
Fwiw, the inflation is BECAUSE the economy recovered so aggressively.

Obviously none of our current economic position has anything to do with the decisions of any previous administration's (going back decades). Despite Trump and Biden claiming otherwise, the President still doesn't control gas prices and economics still don't exist in a vacuum.

I'm as anti partisan as it gets. Financially conservative to moderate, socially liberal. But forever a skeptic. I think Biden isn't any more fit for office than Trump, but at least he attempts to hide the fact he's just making it up as he goes (kind of like parenting). Trump is a career narcissistic conman who at least understood he didn't have to mask his rhetoric because the demo he wanted to appeal to wasn't going to care or question anyway. People just believe him because they want to and it makes them feel better knowing they aren't alone. He's as close to a religion as a human being can be

.. And honestly I just enjoy sitting back and watching the echo chamber.
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Flooding the market repeatedly with billions and billions of spending bills isn’t helping us. The president doesn’t control energy prices but his domestic policies towards energy haven’t helped.
Maybe for some reason they didn’t want to be profitable during the previous administration that could be.
 
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J Kimmel said:
Flooding the market repeatedly with billions and billions of spending bills isn’t helping us. The president doesn’t control energy prices but his domestic policies towards energy haven’t helped.
Maybe for some reason they didn’t want to be profitable during the previous administration that could be.
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I'm as certain as can be that it's some sort of conspiracy, because typically during Republican fiscal policy businesses tend to make an effort to be less profitable. After all, that is the easier way to explain away absurdly complicated issues like international economics during a once-in-a-generation pandemic, financial policy to minimize economic impact during a never-before-seen modern pandemic, and creating a "soft landing" after an unexpected and unprecedented red-hot economic recovery that also coincided with global supply chain issues that created GLOBALlIZED inflation that hasn't been seeing in decades. That's just a given.

It's probably easier on the pro-Trump side to take credit for a strong economic position pre-pandemic (or do I mean "Plandemic" amiright or amiright :spork:;);):spork:?) than to blame the current administration for creating inflation. If anything, Trump benefits from this more than anyone because he can blame this on Biden and ignore trivial details like defunding the Global Health Security and Biodefense team in 2018 who's entire mission was to prepare framework and preparedness for things like, say, a pandemic. But, again, that's and Obama-era piece of government that was almost certainly funded by the Jewish controlled Italian Secret Service, under the direction of the Rothchild's who, not surprisingly, are under the direction of Dr. Anthony Fauci himself so it was clearly a political stunt to create a false sense of Democratic-created preparedness for a "plandemic (amiright or amiright?)" of the China-Virus (no nationalistic bravado there) that everyone knew was coming. Trump took the bait, defunded the GHSB team thus saving the economy from costly government spending, then took the PR hit for not having any sort of action plan in place in the event of a pandemic, thus making the red hot economy stall just long enough for him to lose an election (and threaten the process in the process), blame the inflation and post pandemic struggles on the Democrats, then resurface as we are starting to stabilize to take credit for said recovery. I mean, it's like the nose on my face.
 
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Cody said:
I'm as certain as can be that it's some sort of conspiracy, because typically during Republican fiscal policy businesses tend to make an effort to be less profitable. After all, that is the easier way to explain away absurdly complicated issues like international economics during a once-in-a-generation pandemic, financial policy to minimize economic impact during a never-before-seen modern pandemic, and creating a "soft landing" after an unexpected and unprecedented red-hot economic recovery that also coincided with global supply chain issues that created GLOBALlIZED inflation that hasn't been seeing in decades. That's just a given.

It's probably easier on the pro-Trump side to take credit for a strong economic position pre-pandemic (or do I mean "Plandemic" amiright or amiright :spork:;);):spork:?) than to blame the current administration for creating inflation. If anything, Trump benefits from this more than anyone because he can blame this on Biden and ignore trivial details like defunding the Global Health Security and Biodefense team in 2018 who's entire mission was to prepare framework and preparedness for things like, say, a pandemic. But, again, that's and Obama-era piece of government that was almost certainly funded by the Jewish controlled Italian Secret Service, under the direction of the Rothchild's who, not surprisingly, are under the direction of Dr. Anthony Fauci himself so it was clearly a political stunt to create a false sense of Democratic-created preparedness for a "plandemic (amiright or amiright?)" of the China-Virus (no nationalistic bravado there) that everyone knew was coming. Trump took the bait, defunded the GHSB team thus saving the economy from costly government spending, then took the PR hit for not having any sort of action plan in place in the event of a pandemic, thus making the red hot economy stall just long enough for him to lose an election (and threaten the process in the process), blame the inflation and post pandemic struggles on the Democrats, then resurface as we are starting to stabilize to take credit for said recovery. I mean, it's like the nose on my face.
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This goes all the way back to Benedict Arnold. Come on
 
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Cody said:
I'm as certain as can be that it's some sort of conspiracy, because typically during Republican fiscal policy businesses tend to make an effort to be less profitable. After all, that is the easier way to explain away absurdly complicated issues like international economics during a once-in-a-generation pandemic, financial policy to minimize economic impact during a never-before-seen modern pandemic, and creating a "soft landing" after an unexpected and unprecedented red-hot economic recovery that also coincided with global supply chain issues that created GLOBALlIZED inflation that hasn't been seeing in decades. That's just a given.

It's probably easier on the pro-Trump side to take credit for a strong economic position pre-pandemic (or do I mean "Plandemic" amiright or amiright :spork:;);):spork:?) than to blame the current administration for creating inflation. If anything, Trump benefits from this more than anyone because he can blame this on Biden and ignore trivial details like defunding the Global Health Security and Biodefense team in 2018 who's entire mission was to prepare framework and preparedness for things like, say, a pandemic. But, again, that's and Obama-era piece of government that was almost certainly funded by the Jewish controlled Italian Secret Service, under the direction of the Rothchild's who, not surprisingly, are under the direction of Dr. Anthony Fauci himself so it was clearly a political stunt to create a false sense of Democratic-created preparedness for a "plandemic (amiright or amiright?)" of the China-Virus (no nationalistic bravado there) that everyone knew was coming. Trump took the bait, defunded the GHSB team thus saving the economy from costly government spending, then took the PR hit for not having any sort of action plan in place in the event of a pandemic, thus making the red hot economy stall just long enough for him to lose an election (and threaten the process in the process), blame the inflation and post pandemic struggles on the Democrats, then resurface as we are starting to stabilize to take credit for said recovery. I mean, it's like the nose on my face.
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Cody, I absolutely appreciate your personality. 😎
 
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It'll be interesting to see if this gets some momentum behind it. They haven't released a "platform" as of yet but with a centrist philosophy it could gain more voters than the libertarian party.
 
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xjtony said:
www.forwardparty.com

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Not Left. Not Right. Forward.
www.forwardparty.com www.forwardparty.com

It'll be interesting to see if this gets some momentum behind it. They haven't released a "platform" as of yet but with a centrist philosophy it could gain more voters than the libertarian party.
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I'm a Libertarian, but I never vote Libertarian. Why? because there are only two parties with a chance to win. Voting Libertarian in enough numbers, just guarantees a democrat win.

We see by what's going on now, what happens when democrats are in control. Out of control spending, inflation, etc.

We are in a recession now. Although the slow joe admin is trying desperately to change the definition of "recession".
 
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Cody said:
My wife also appreciates my arrogance.


That guy sounds like a traitor.
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It's not arrogance, but I bet most people who don't know you think it is. Like you said, you are a skeptic. You put your comedic spin and satire on your skeptical remarks and I enjoy that.


We can't know if Trump would have been able to avoid the recession or the various other issues that the Biden Administration has and will face. Sure, Trump would have a different effect on the issues, but no one can say he could totally stop or avoid them. Specifically the economic issues.

I definitely see people who have a cult-like following of Trump. It's weird like Jesus jammies and polygamy is weird. I also have seen people with cult-like followings of at least 3 major political parties over my adult life and that's also weird to me.
 
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I'm a Trump supporter but I don't like him at all. I see him as the outsider who can break the stranglehold of the entrenched career politicians, who are desperately doing everything possible to eliminate him from the fight. My opinion is that most Trump supporters probably share this view, not as cultists but as thinking voters.
 
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RustEoldtrux said:
I'm a Trump supporter but I don't like him at all. I see him as the outsider who can break the stranglehold of the entrenched career politicians, who are desperately doing everything possible to eliminate him from the fight. My opinion is that most Trump supporters probably share this view, not as cultists but as thinking voters.
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I'm in this camp of "supporting" the Trumpster. He's a loser but he's not quite part of the "establishment" losers in politics. Hillary was supposed to win that election. She did not. The "establishment" was shocked. Now they are trying to "fix" things so that doesn't happen again.

Reminds me a lot of when BYU "wins" the NCAA National Championship in college foosball. They are not one of the elite. How could that happen? We'll have to fix it so a non-blue blood won't win again. (not a BYU fan but just a convenient elitist example)
 
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Best recovery ever Jack

Literally every democrat policy so far has been spend spend with zero regard for fiscal policy and all of them believe that wind and solar will somehow save us. They hate the police and they hate us and their policy’s reflect that.

I’m sure their guaranteed paychecks private transportation and armed security in gated communities has nothing to do with that.
 
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All I know is that because of the Trump policies and appointed judges, MY personal rights and freedoms have been defended and upheld more than EVER, by any president.
The guy may be a complete tool... but you cannot say that he was not better at putting Americans and American interests first than any recent president, and that is what rings true for so many people, and why he has the following he does.
-Compare his attitude towards the military to Biden's.
-Compare his negotiating to Bidens
-Compare his energy policies to Biden.
It's easy to see why people love him. They love what he does for them. His personal flaws get a pass for that.

It's a sad situation that nearly every politician is crooked and lies. However, the Biden gang is about the most corrupt there is, second only to Pelosi.
 
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J Kimmel said:
Best recovery ever Jack

Literally every democrat policy so far has been spend spend with zero regard for fiscal policy and all of them believe that wind and solar will somehow save us. They hate the police and they hate us and their policy’s reflect that.

I’m sure their guaranteed paychecks private transportation and armed security in gated communities has nothing to do with that.
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The spend, spend with no regard is not a Democrat only issue. The Republican's have had basically zero restraint in their spending in the last 20+ years. Neither party is fiscally conservative IN ANY WAY....they just spend the money in different ways.


jeeper said:
All I know is that because of the Trump policies and appointed judges, MY personal rights and freedoms have been defended and upheld more than EVER, by any president.
The guy may be a complete tool... but you cannot say that he was not better at putting Americans and American interests first than any recent president, and that is what rings true for so many people, and why he has the following he does.
-Compare his attitude towards the military to Biden's.
-Compare his negotiating to Bidens
-Compare his energy policies to Biden.
It's easy to see why people love him. They love what he does for them. His personal flaws get a pass for that.

It's a sad situation that nearly every politician is crooked and lies. However, the Biden gang is about the most corrupt there is, second only to Pelosi.
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I would believe this if people weren't so blinded by it being Trump. They don't feel this way about ANY other Republican. They will turn on ANY Republican that crosses the aisle. They can't seem to think beyond Trump as a candidate and savior of America. Most of the traits you want to compare are sad because I do not consider Trump nor Biden good leaders. So comparing 1 shitty leader to another isn't exactly proving that Trump was good. As for the rights being protected, Trump just had the luxury of appointing more SCOTUS justices then other presidents. I think ANY other Republican would have likely done the same....but what I hear from Trump supporters is IT WAS ALL TRUMP.

If they could get past him, then maybe I would listen to their faithful belief in a candidate...but if they can't look at someone and see their flaws and actually acknowledge that there are a lot of flaws, they are too sucked into the cult. Instead, people will say "I'll take mean tweets anyday" It goes WAY beyond mean tweets as to what is wrong with Trump, his presidency, his leadership, and himself as a person.

Trump has the problem of being a HORRIBLE public figure. He is a dick and bully. We are a global economy, and have global alliances. He gave many of our allies a bad taste. Sure, he did some good on the global stage as well (I will acknowledge that he had some good and won't blindly hate his presidency and accomplishments). However, his leadership style was that of a dictator. I honestly believe that he admired Putin strictly for his hard fisted ruling and wants to be just like him in that regard. The sad part is I believe that MANY of his supporters would be perfectly fine with that.
 
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jeeper said:
All I know is that because of the Trump policies and appointed judges, MY personal rights and freedoms have been defended and upheld more than EVER, by any president.
The guy may be a complete tool... but you cannot say that he was not better at putting Americans and American interests first than any recent president, and that is what rings true for so many people, and why he has the following he does.
-Compare his attitude towards the military to Biden's.
-Compare his negotiating to Bidens
-Compare his energy policies to Biden.
It's easy to see why people love him. They love what he does for them. His personal flaws get a pass for that.

It's a sad situation that nearly every politician is crooked and lies. However, the Biden gang is about the most corrupt there is, second only to Pelosi.
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I wonder what the vast majority of minorities and females would say in response to the Trump appointed judges?

-All republican presidents prefer a strong military. That's not a Trump thing.
-I'm curious to see where you've observed their negotiations to compare them.
-All republican leaders prefer domestic oil. But, time will tell whether or not domestic oil is really the long term solution to energy problems. I suspect it's not, and I suspect the billions big oil companies are investing in cleaner energy solutions probably means they may not either. I for one don't have a problem with domestic oil drilling as long as it done responsibly, which I think it generally is, but I also think technology is going to continue to advance to the point where we are able to power electric cars from a cleaner grid with a faster, more widespread network of "charging stations".

-I agree, it's easy to see why people love him, because he looks like them (except the creepy orange paint and weird hair) and makes them feel ok to have some of the feelings about other people that they have.

-This final point is true, although I think Trump is just as corrupt and has created his empire using every loophole possible...loopholes provided through his own kickbacks to politicians he's in bed with. I think if you look at his career, probably the LAST thing you would accuse him of us putting anyone's interests ahead of his own. He's burned through countless allies and advisors because but he only has someone's back until he doesn't need them anymore or they decide to disobey his command due to their own ethics. I've worked with people like that, and I don't need to ever again. Your thoughts may vary.
 
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And on the elections front. They are already setting the seeds of doubt. She must be taking directly from Trump's playbook

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