LS Swap '04 Jeep - Brake switch wiring help

Mufasa_swap

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I did a LS GenIII swap and needing help with wiring in Pin33 Purple TCC Brake Switch/Cruise Control Release Switch Signal wire. Question: is there a way that I can use the original '04 Jeep brake switch and splice in the Purple TCC wire?? Or do I need to use the recommended Brake Switch (Model#: SLS179) for a late '90's model Camaro in order to wire in the TCC wire. Looking for help. Thanks in advance!
 

Mufasa_swap

New Member
Are you using a kit for the swap?

I'd just swap in the Camaro brake switch, there must be a reason they'd recommend it.

You could call Motec in Vegas and see what they recommend. - https://lswrangler.com/index.html
Not using a kit. We built the wire harness ourselves. The person that was helping me is no longer available. I have it wired in but get no power to the tail lights. This is how I currently have it wired. Using a test light everything is working except for the taillights and i dont know why

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DaveB

Long Jeep Fan
Location
Holladay, Utah
These switches have two types of contacts in them, normally closed and normally open. The brake lights hook to the normally open switch so that when brakes are applied the lights come on. The TCC is on the normally closed position which feeds 12 V to the torque converter lock up solenoid. When you apply the brakes the TCC solenoid is disconnected from power so that the torque converter wont fight the brakes. The ground side of the solenoid is driven by the ECM which pulls it low to lock up the TCC. I would check to see that you have it hooked up properly and that the push button is moving properly with the brake pedal in both the on and off positions.
 

Mufasa_swap

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These switches have two types of contacts in them, normally closed and normally open. The brake lights hook to the normally open switch so that when brakes are applied the lights come on. The TCC is on the normally closed position which feeds 12 V to the torque converter lock up solenoid. When you apply the brakes the TCC solenoid is disconnected from power so that the torque converter wont fight the brakes. The ground side of the solenoid is driven by the ECM which pulls it low to lock up the TCC. I would check to see that you have it hooked up properly and that the push button is moving properly with the brake pedal in both the on and off positions.
DaveB - I appreciate the feedback and detailed operation. I had an idea of how it worked but your description made it clear. I tested the open and closed positions with a test light. I updated the previous posted sketch and added labels. The way I currently have it wired is:
1 = TCC (Purple wire / Pin33)
2 = 12V+ (constant positive)
3 = Keyed switch (12+ when ignition is on)
4 = Brake lights

KEY ON
With the switch pressed in (Brake off) - 1 (TCC) shows closed circuit
With the switch out/released (Brake on) - 4 (brake lights) are closed circuit
Everything seems to be working right however, my brake lights on the jeep don't come on when the pedal is pressed (switch button out), but the switch is working properly?

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Mufasa_swap

New Member
Do you have a good ground that ties tcc to ground when the brake is press and also provides a ground for the 12+ to the lights when the brake pedal is depressed?
That I'm not sure. I know I dont have a ground on the switch. Since the TCC (purple wire) is coming for the PCM (pin33) I would think that should already be grounded. I could be wrong though.
 

glockman

I hate Jeep trucks
Location
Pleasant Grove
90% of electrical issues on vehicles I've found to be bad grounds. Make sure that TCC goes to ground when the brake is pressed. My next move would be provide a ground at the brake light and see if you have 12v at the light itself.
 

Mufasa_swap

New Member
90% of electrical issues on vehicles I've found to be bad grounds. Make sure that TCC goes to ground when the brake is pressed. My next move would be provide a ground at the brake light and see if you have 12v at the light itself.
The original brake switch shows a ground wire and the new switch doesnt. Could this be my issue and that I need to tie that wire to a ground?
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glockman

I hate Jeep trucks
Location
Pleasant Grove
Could be. The brake lights are grounded at the light on my 06 if I remember right. I'd pull the light and check that it has a constant ground, the 12v is switched. However, you will need the ground for the TCC.
 

mdbs14

Active Member
So I found a fix for my issue. I appreciate ALL the help and suggestions. I ended up using a relay and tapping it into my original brake switch and the ECM. I also want to give a HUGE shout out to my friend Greg B and Charlie G for all the time and brain work that went into the swap.
I am about to wire the tcc on my 04 unlimited, Possible to get more detail on how you got this connected and what you are using ?
 

glockman

I hate Jeep trucks
Location
Pleasant Grove
I am about to wire the tcc on my 04 unlimited, Possible to get more detail on how you got this connected and what you are using ?
This is how you wire the TCC. The GM PCM wants 12v constant when the brake is not pressed. When you press the brake it wants that interrupted. Use a relay tapped off your Jeep brake light switch in the orientation below.
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mdbs14

Active Member
This is how you wire the TCC. The GM PCM wants 12v constant when the brake is not pressed. When you press the brake it wants that interrupted. Use a relay tapped off your Jeep brake light switch in the orientation below.
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Is the wire located at L50 18 WT/TN coming of from the brake Lamp switch the correct wire to tap into for the STOP LAMP 12V+ ? Trying to find where that Blue 12v+ stop lamp wire is in your diagram.

Also whats a good source for the 12V+ Key hot switched wire?
 

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mdbs14

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Is the wire located at L50 18 WT/TN coming of from the brake Lamp switch the correct wire to tap into for the STOP LAMP 12V+ ? Trying to find where that Blue 12v+ stop lamp wire is in your diagram.

Also whats a good source for the 12V+ Key hot switched wire?
@glockman glock possible to get little more help on this, is the L50 wire on brake switch the correct wire to link to 85 on the relay?

And once I get it all connected how to test that it's working?

Thank you
 
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