- Location
- The Land Northward (Bountiful), Utah
I read that one
What books are you reading (or listening to?)
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DesertRam
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- Location
- Southern New Mexico
And for pure entertainment, I continue the Expeditionary Force series by Craig Alanson and expertly performed by R.C. Bray. I've made may up through the seventh book, "Renegades," finishing just this morning.
Tonkaman
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- Location
- West Jordan
I finally finished the 16.5 hour long “Guns, Germs, and Steel” that was recommended on here .
It jam packed with great information! I really enjoyed the content, but it was really hard for me to stay focused on it. If he released a 4 hour cliff notes version I think I’d enjoy it just as much.
It jam packed with great information! I really enjoyed the content, but it was really hard for me to stay focused on it. If he released a 4 hour cliff notes version I think I’d enjoy it just as much.
Tonkaman
Well-Known Member
- Location
- West Jordan
I was able to complete 53 books this year using Audible. I am shocked at how fast I can complete a book considering I never listen unless I’m alone, and I still listen to podcasts and music.
Here's one I've read through many times but it's been awhile, figured I'd share a little of my family history here.
This was gifted to my grandparents by my parents in Christmas of 1981.
This book is special to me for many reasons as it was one of the many used during my Grandpa, Grandma, Aunt and Dad's search for treasures and mines.
This panel here in the book Grandpa notes.
What my grandpa is talking about and who my great great grandfather is.
"Jeremiah Hatch came to the Ashley Valley in 1878 as an Indian agent. Following the Meeker, Colorado massacre of 1879 he was instructed to build a fort as protection for the white settlers. Their cabins with cedar post buttresses, formed part of the wall. Water was hauled from Ashley Creek. In 1881 first schoolhouse built on this site, CC Bartlett teacher. The fort called Ashley Center, Jerico, Hatchtown, later named Vernal was abandoned in 1882."
At any rate the book is filled with many other notes and such, because I moved to Northern Utah with my mom as a teen I was never involved in any of my family's adventures in searching for mines and treasures which is maybe a good thing. Of course somewhere in there, early 90s? my Aunt divorces and ends up partnered up with Randy W. Lewis. I'd like to get with my Aunt and interview her as I realize they are getting to the point of not getting out much anymore and won't be around much longer.
This was gifted to my grandparents by my parents in Christmas of 1981.
This book is special to me for many reasons as it was one of the many used during my Grandpa, Grandma, Aunt and Dad's search for treasures and mines.
This panel here in the book Grandpa notes.
What my grandpa is talking about and who my great great grandfather is.
"Jeremiah Hatch came to the Ashley Valley in 1878 as an Indian agent. Following the Meeker, Colorado massacre of 1879 he was instructed to build a fort as protection for the white settlers. Their cabins with cedar post buttresses, formed part of the wall. Water was hauled from Ashley Creek. In 1881 first schoolhouse built on this site, CC Bartlett teacher. The fort called Ashley Center, Jerico, Hatchtown, later named Vernal was abandoned in 1882."
At any rate the book is filled with many other notes and such, because I moved to Northern Utah with my mom as a teen I was never involved in any of my family's adventures in searching for mines and treasures which is maybe a good thing. Of course somewhere in there, early 90s? my Aunt divorces and ends up partnered up with Randy W. Lewis. I'd like to get with my Aunt and interview her as I realize they are getting to the point of not getting out much anymore and won't be around much longer.
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- Location
- Sandy, Ut
- Location
- West Bountiful, UT
I've had that one a long time, but have only read it once. Need to dust it off again.
- DAA
- Location
- Bountiful, land of rocks
These will be headed with me on the 18th-26th for when my wife gets tired of hanging out with me during that less clothing than normal week
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
All great reads!
- Location
- West Bountiful, UT
Hmmm... I dunno. I thought that Miller HITR book was a brutal read. I struggled to finish it and loaned it out permanently to the first person that agreed to take it.
All of Tom McCourt's books are worth the read.
- DAA
I guess I didn't include LaVan's description of what the panel says, I would have to ask my Aunt if Grandpa ever spent time with or spoke with LeVan, It is very possible as I do remember him spending time with some of the Native Elders. Theres a wealth of information in this book, mine also comes with a map.
- Location
- West Bountiful, UT
It's really fascinating stuff. Anyone with a keen interest in rock art should read it. Many panels that academia has forever and still shrugs and says "nobody really knows what it means", some people do know what they mean. Or some people did, at least.
One of the things that really struck home to me was the graphical depiction of universal sign language. Universal sign language does appear to be "universal", being used globally farther back in time than anyone knows.
- DAA
One of the things that really struck home to me was the graphical depiction of universal sign language. Universal sign language does appear to be "universal", being used globally farther back in time than anyone knows.
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Oh no doubt.
I'll refer you to page page 32, Grandpa made sure to highlight it.
I don't believe I have any books on sign to go with all this other stuff I have, I'd imagine if anyone does, my Aunt has them. I can definitely say my Grandpa learned it but that's something I'll have to ask is to what extent? For it was my Grandpa's, Grandpa that was running around Utah as an "Indian Agent" for Brigham Young. I could also get in more depth about the "Hatch" history and their roll in everything. My Grandpa actually never met his Grandpa
Side note, even I attended my Great Grandmas 100th birthday party, a lot of us did, Orin Hatch was also there. I don't really recall any of that being 4.
I'll show you how loved this waybill is too.
Okay I had to put that other stuff away and get back to what I was working on. You can believe in this stuff or not but your tax dollars funded this for 20 years and I'd suspect they never stopped doing it as they say.
Good reference book with interviews and first hand accounts.
With current events playing out and some of these podcasters such as Shawn Ryan doing interviews with some of these folks that are still around today, it seems to be bringing a renewed interest in the subject and a lot of new people just learning about it.
I'm pursuing this subject because of a family members direct involvement, I sadly never met him as he died a couple years before I was born. I know there is more to the story on this family member that maybe I will play a part in telling?
One of my older cousins that knew him is putting some things together as well, I don't know where we are going with this or how it'll happen but there's some things that are bullshit and some of this has just evolved over the last 50+ years. To the best of my knowledge the family has kept quiet on speaking out as they don't want to get involved or have their name on the CIAs or anyone else's radar for any reason.
Good reference book with interviews and first hand accounts.
With current events playing out and some of these podcasters such as Shawn Ryan doing interviews with some of these folks that are still around today, it seems to be bringing a renewed interest in the subject and a lot of new people just learning about it.
I'm pursuing this subject because of a family members direct involvement, I sadly never met him as he died a couple years before I was born. I know there is more to the story on this family member that maybe I will play a part in telling?
One of my older cousins that knew him is putting some things together as well, I don't know where we are going with this or how it'll happen but there's some things that are bullshit and some of this has just evolved over the last 50+ years. To the best of my knowledge the family has kept quiet on speaking out as they don't want to get involved or have their name on the CIAs or anyone else's radar for any reason.
Die Blaue Ziege
Working on a Ford somewhere
- Location
- Logan ut
I have had to let my thoughts on this book stew for a bit after finishing it.
Heavier than Heaven - a biography of Kurt Cobain by Charles r. Cross
This was a gift from my daughter for Christmas, when I asked for it, I didn’t know the emotional roller coaster it would take me on. when I was a kid, Kurt Cobain was a big idol of mine, who can understand the why behind it, I remember the first time I heard the band name, I was in 5th grade, standing the hall at Wellsville elementary and a friend and I were talking about the kinds of music we liked. he asked if I knew who Nirvana was, and of course not wanting to look uncool i was like year, but they are not my favorite. well let me tell you, with a mind like mine that sent me down a rabbit hole to find out who this Nirvana was. at the time they had only released the album bleach, at first, I didn't really like the sound, but as I sat and read the liner notes, my mind was amazed to the constant contradictions that were found within each line. holy crap I was hooked. I gradually decided I wanted to be like Kurt, I let my blond hair grow out, started begging for a pair of airwalk shoes, and every time I could find a magazine in Hastings or Maceys that had anything to do with Nirvana or the Grunge movement coming out of the Northwest I begged and pleaded my mom to buy it. when nevermind came out I stood in line to be one of the first people to but a copy. we finally were able to get cable tv and MTV would play Smells like teen spirit a lot, each time i sat enthralled at how antiestablishment it was. later when In Utero was released, I played it over and over on my portable cd player, finding new batteries became my biggest worry at the time as I used the cd player so much that I went through batteries like a junky does with drugs. and when unplugged was released (my favorite album) I purchased a copy and wore it out. The Unplugged set was always amazing for me to watch and listen to as it seemed like as a fan you were given the ability to get a peek into a more personal moment with the band. The fact that they messed up and left it on the tracks was so amazing at the time. as an adult with the resurgence of vinyl pressing i had to find me a copy of each album, and just like before I have yet to buy a copy of insecticide, Its a great album I just have not gotten the money together yet, also I need to pick up a copy of From the muddy banks of the Washkah - another great live release. reading this book brought back so many memories, and emotional feeling that i had about that time in my life. Its amazing how we make our idols and hero's out to be, but to read such a raw and honest portrayal of not only the events but also the man was both hard but therapeutic for me. toward the end i didn't want to finish reading the book, i didn't know how they death would be handled, and I was worried that it would be disturbing and wouldn't do justice to the why it all happened. I must say i was wrong, it was handled with all of the emotion and love of someone who wanted the truth to be known but the act not to be glorified or demonized. I would highly recommend this book, for a number of reasons both as a part of history of the late 80's and early 90's as well as a cautionary tale to anyone who has been effected or are dealing with someone who is affected with drub abuse, emotional instability. I would also recommend picking up or at least borrowing from you library the red book ( the Kurt Cobain Journals) it pairs nicely with the main book.
Heavier than Heaven - a biography of Kurt Cobain by Charles r. Cross
This was a gift from my daughter for Christmas, when I asked for it, I didn’t know the emotional roller coaster it would take me on. when I was a kid, Kurt Cobain was a big idol of mine, who can understand the why behind it, I remember the first time I heard the band name, I was in 5th grade, standing the hall at Wellsville elementary and a friend and I were talking about the kinds of music we liked. he asked if I knew who Nirvana was, and of course not wanting to look uncool i was like year, but they are not my favorite. well let me tell you, with a mind like mine that sent me down a rabbit hole to find out who this Nirvana was. at the time they had only released the album bleach, at first, I didn't really like the sound, but as I sat and read the liner notes, my mind was amazed to the constant contradictions that were found within each line. holy crap I was hooked. I gradually decided I wanted to be like Kurt, I let my blond hair grow out, started begging for a pair of airwalk shoes, and every time I could find a magazine in Hastings or Maceys that had anything to do with Nirvana or the Grunge movement coming out of the Northwest I begged and pleaded my mom to buy it. when nevermind came out I stood in line to be one of the first people to but a copy. we finally were able to get cable tv and MTV would play Smells like teen spirit a lot, each time i sat enthralled at how antiestablishment it was. later when In Utero was released, I played it over and over on my portable cd player, finding new batteries became my biggest worry at the time as I used the cd player so much that I went through batteries like a junky does with drugs. and when unplugged was released (my favorite album) I purchased a copy and wore it out. The Unplugged set was always amazing for me to watch and listen to as it seemed like as a fan you were given the ability to get a peek into a more personal moment with the band. The fact that they messed up and left it on the tracks was so amazing at the time. as an adult with the resurgence of vinyl pressing i had to find me a copy of each album, and just like before I have yet to buy a copy of insecticide, Its a great album I just have not gotten the money together yet, also I need to pick up a copy of From the muddy banks of the Washkah - another great live release. reading this book brought back so many memories, and emotional feeling that i had about that time in my life. Its amazing how we make our idols and hero's out to be, but to read such a raw and honest portrayal of not only the events but also the man was both hard but therapeutic for me. toward the end i didn't want to finish reading the book, i didn't know how they death would be handled, and I was worried that it would be disturbing and wouldn't do justice to the why it all happened. I must say i was wrong, it was handled with all of the emotion and love of someone who wanted the truth to be known but the act not to be glorified or demonized. I would highly recommend this book, for a number of reasons both as a part of history of the late 80's and early 90's as well as a cautionary tale to anyone who has been effected or are dealing with someone who is affected with drub abuse, emotional instability. I would also recommend picking up or at least borrowing from you library the red book ( the Kurt Cobain Journals) it pairs nicely with the main book.
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