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Trate D said:
I posted that yesterday and the new pardons came today? Sorry, for not rushing back and editing my post.

Insight on why Biden did that is what I was after. It’s a legitimate question to get input from people who have different thoughts about it than me.

How many BLM protestors got bailed out by democrat funding? How many actually did any time? How many were imprisoned without trials?
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Ok, fair enough.

Why did Biden preemptively pardon those involved with Jan 6th investigations?

Because during the campaign Trump specifically and repeatedly talked about revenge and that even members of Congress should be jailed.

Whether you support Trump or not that should be seen as wrong.

And even if no charges would stick, the stress, financial cost and other aspects of being charged is not something they should have to risk.

As to your questions on the BLM protestors i don't have an answer and strongly suspect you have zero clue either and are just assuming few or no charges came of the
Pike2350 said:
I honestly don't think he did it consciously (maybe that's worse?) I do think it was WAY too close to the Nazi salute to be just brushed off. He said "My heart goes out to you" only said AFTER he made it to the people behind the podium, and didn't repeat the motion after saying it.


In no way does it appear to be a 'heart felt gesture' in ANY capacity.
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While it is very likely an over reaction, some context is important. Musk is a vocal supporter of far right political parties in Germany and elsewhere.

That does make the accusations more plausible.
 
Houndoc said:
Ok, fair enough.

Why did Biden preemptively pardon those involved with Jan 6th investigations?

Because during the campaign Trump specifically and repeatedly talked about revenge and that even members of Congress should be jailed.

Whether you support Trump or not that should be seen as wrong.

And even if no charges would stick, the stress, financial cost and other aspects of being charged is not something they should have to risk.

As to your questions on the BLM protestors i don't have an answer and strongly suspect you have zero clue either and are just assuming few or no charges came of the

While it is very likely an over reaction, some context is important. Musk is a vocal supporter of far right political parties in Germany and elsewhere.

That does make the accusations more plausible.
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The far right parties in Germany (current parties) are not nazis either.
 
Wonder what Baron said to Joe to change him from smiles to WTF. Not sure if the look ack was part of it since it is an edited cut, but the expression makes you wonder.




And this one made me laugh after the Autism comments in this thread

 
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Was going to comment and at this point I'm moving on. I'm glad the political prisoners held by the Biden administration were pardoned. Grandma didn't deserve it. I'm glad Biden can go retire in Delaware and spend the kickbacks for what he sent to Ukraine.
 
Cody said:
I think this is what you're saying....but Hitler was also of at least 50% Jewish lineage.


No, that was straight up a ****ing nazi salute ha ha. It's certainly possibly that's not what he meant by it and he was just amped up at how much more money he'll make with DJT in office.

I just hope we don't normalize hate again like we did during his first term.

I'm not sure what you're saying, so I'm probably dumb.
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Dumb was a very bad choice of words. You are not a dumb dude. Incorrect would have been better. Believe it or not, you have changed my mind on a few things.


Houndoc said:
Are you going to hold to that same standard now that Trump has issued around 1,500 pardons related to Jan 6th?




Tarrifs do not apply to that situation.

What tarrifs are designed to do is make imports more so less efficient US companies can sell more of their higher priced products.

Consumers pay more either way (Trump is 100% wrong when he claims foreign governments will pay the tarrifs).

And without question those higher prices will impact lower and middle income households far more than the wealthy.
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Your statement contradicts itself. China is only able to out bid/undersell US companies because of the IP theft, so yes, Tariffs will apply there. They steal our IP and sell it back to us cheaper than US firms who invested the R&D money can produce for.
As for foreign governments not paying the tariffs, I believe that is inaccurate also. My former employer was sued in China, buy a Chinese Semiconductor company for IP theft. They presented documents in court (Chinese court) showing they had designed a process. Those documents had Micron document ID's. They presented the IP they stole as proof that we stole their IP. They won that suit. The company is/was just a front for the provincial government. So any tariff paid by a Chinese company is just money coming from the government, through the company.
 
Trate D said:
Exactly, but if it’s Trump on trial totally worth it. Got it.👍🏼
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You think that was politically motivated? I thought it just took them 3.5 years to come up with the evidence to try him on 45 felony charges. Seems legit. Alignment with the election doesn't seem fishy at all.

Biden pardons Hunter and the left is fine with that. Trump pardons all J6 participants and the right sees no issues. They/we are all hypocrites. This is all lunacy.

The border needed to be closed. The innocent people of J6 needed to be pardoned. I hope the momentum gained by the right when the left pushed the swing as high as they could, won't ruin the country.

I'm waiting for rappers to be banned and concerts to be shut down. Welcome back to the 90's, but without the good parts.
 
glockman said:
So any tariff paid by a Chinese company is just money coming from the government, through the company.
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Thr company exporting the goods isn't the one paying for the tariff...the company importing the goods does....so I am not sure how those Chinese companies will pay unless they are in the US and importing. Sure, this will be some but the vast majority of tariffs will hit normal goods that the average American buys.

I have worked with a few companies that import flooring (LVP most affected by this) we saw the original increase in our cost when the goods hit the port when Trump was in office the first time....ranged between 15-25%.

Now, I am also not doomsday about these tariffs and think some tariffs will be beneficial. The last time he did this, the economy was on more solid (albeit debt ridden) ground then it is now and many people didn't notice too bad. These new tariffs could have a negative impact due to the inflation over the past 5 years really putting people in a pinch.

I will be curious to see the overall affect on the economy. I know tariffs should be strategic, but Trump tends to use a machete when he should use a scalpel. I think he has self control issues.
 
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glockman said:
Your statement contradicts itself. China is only able to out bid/undersell US companies because of the IP theft, so yes, Tariffs will apply there. They steal our IP and sell it back to us cheaper than US firms who invested the R&D money can produce for.
As for foreign governments not paying the tariffs, I believe that is inaccurate also. My former employer was sued in China, buy a Chinese Semiconductor company for IP theft. They presented documents in court (Chinese court) showing they had designed a process. Those documents had Micron document ID's. They presented the IP they stole as proof that we stole their IP. They won that suit. The company is/was just a front for the provincial government. So any tariff paid by a Chinese company is just money coming from the government, through the company.
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I think we are talking about two different issues.

Yes, IP theft is a problem and does harm US companies. No arguments with you there. When fines or other measures actually succeed against those committing IP theft (admittedly rare) it is the guilty company paying the fine.

Tariffs are a tax on imported goods, paid for by the company that imports the product- not the exporter and absolutely not any government.

As with any tax or other expense the cost of that tax is built into the cost of the product when it reaches the store shelves and thus it is the average consumer paying the tariff.
 
Houndoc said:
I think we are talking about two different issues.

Yes, IP theft is a problem and does harm US companies. No arguments with you there. When fines or other measures actually succeed against those committing IP theft (admittedly rare) it is the guilty company paying the fine.

Tariffs are a tax on imported goods, paid for by the company that imports the product- not the exporter and absolutely not any government.

As with any tax or other expense the cost of that tax is built into the cost of the product when it reaches the store shelves and thus it is the average consumer paying the tariff.
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I understand that the point of transaction for the tariff is the importer, but in order for the company producing the goods to maintain competitive pricing, they have to cut costs or raise prices. Either of those is actions cost the manufacturing company money and/or market share, which is money. They can't normally (especially with luxury/consumer items like electronics) just raise prices. People will stop buying, which will retract the economy, which is bad. I think China is in a bad place though. They can't stop selling to the US or their entire economy will collapse.

Toyota is a great example of this. The tariffs on foreign automakers made it nearly impossible for Toyota to sell cars and trucks made in Japan. Toyota was not paying the tariffs, but the cost of the tariff at import made them no longer competitive. So Toyota would have to slash prices(profits) or start manufacturing in the US. They chose the latter.

I don't think Trump anticipates these tariffs being a long term thing. They are a short term disruption to get other countries to change anti American policies. We are already seeing a resurgence of Tech companies moving manufacturing to the US. The CHIPS act (one of Biden's better moves) jump started this. These are high paying manufacturing jobs that the US is perfectly suited for if we aren't being robbed and cheated into bankruptcy by East Asian government ran companies. I know lumber and other markets are different.
 
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