3rd Gen Four runners

bschroeder

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slc
So I just picked up a 3rd Gen four runner and am going to start building it shortly. I am curious on what lifts people have ran or seen that perform well. I don't have the money for a sas so I'll be keeping the ifs for now. I want to be able to run at least 33's and take it on some medium diffuculty trails. Poison spider, hell's gate, etc. Let me know what everyone thinks, Also price is a big one to. I'd like to stay under 500 for the lift. Thanks guys
 

Coco

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Lehi, UT
Pretty much all SAS lifts will be over $500, since you gotta buy all the little things to make an IFS rig work. IMO, I would save for the SAS
 

RusM

New Member
Location
WA
Used coilovers or TRD Tundra lift front. Landcruiser front springs for the rear and cruiser shocks for the rear.
 

iamsparticus

Take your Rig to the Edge
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Ogden,Ut
fatbobsgarage.com get the 2.5 inch lift for 300 and you should be good to go for 33's and then spend the rest on a lock right locker
 

sixstringsteve

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UT
talk to yota4runner on here. He works at low range offroad. he did a lift on his 4runner to fit 33's and he only spent about $250 on his lift.
 

Coco

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Lehi, UT
talk to yota4runner on here. He works at low range offroad. he did a lift on his 4runner to fit 33's and he only spent about $250 on his lift.

Ya he did his lift, but since he chopped it, it sits rat rod like. But that is just due to less weight on the rear, and it rides beautifully

I meant IFS not SAS being more than $500. Just in case some (including me) were confused
 
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Manlaan

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So, for IFS, you basically have 4 different options in front.

Spacer lift, which is the cheapest, which also makes it the most popular. Its basically just a puck placed inside the coilovers.

There's the body lift, which personally, doesn't really look all that great on Toyotas. It does get your body a little higher to fit larger tires, but unless completely done, you'll have gaps in your bumper and it'll require a lot more work to get done.

Then you have the coil over lift. Bilstein is the cheaper side (but still very well respected), and you have Camburg, Icon, etc for the more expensive side. Basically, it works about the same as the spacer lift, but the spacer is built into the shocks. (compresses from the bottom instead of the top). The good side is that these shocks are actually made for this, so possibly can get a bit more drop from them and can buy coils that support the weight of your vehicle better.

Then you have long travel, which is basically replacing the guts of the IFS with longer pieces so you get more travel. This is the route the desert racing types like to go, as you get more articulation and softer rides. I dont see there being much use for this for a rock crawler though, as you'd be in it almost as much as with an SAS.

Biggest problem with IFS lifts is the half shaft (CV) angles. After about 3", unless you start repositioning things, you start to run into boot problems on the cv joints. Also, for IFS, you aren't really able to increase the down travel at all (with out long travel), so you're really only pre-loading the coils, giving more height, but also taking away from the amount of down travel you have.

The biggest benefit I've seen from my own IFS (think its the same suspension as yours), is removing the sway bar so both sides aren't linked/restricted based on what the other side is doing. I think I ended up getting a good 1-2 inches extra down travel from that, but of course you do get more body roll on turns.

Not sure what the rear suspension is like on 4runners.



As far as what I've done... The previous owner put on a 2" spacer lift on my truck, which I really cant say I have any complaints of (and if its the same components and want to see how it changes things, I still have the complete coil over assembly you can try and see if you want to run it. If you want to come down to Riverton to pick it up, I'll just give it to you. No clue how much life is left in the shocks though, but they were still good when I took them off a year ago. Some rust.) I moved to Camburg coilovers, which I have set at about 2.75". I plan to go to an SAS after I catch up from paying taxes this year. Real simple to try it out, just 3 bolts on top and 1 on the bottom and the whole coil over assembly comes out. You will want to get an alignment after though.

I'm running 265/75R16 (31-32") now with a 1" wheel adapter in the front to solve some rubbing on the frame, but I'm sure I could get 33's in there no problem. I know people that have run 285/75R16 with just spacer lifts and a bit of rubbing, but not bad. Probably have to pound down the pinch weld near the firewall though. With lots of cutting and tubbing the fenders, 35's are a possibility as well.

Of course this isn't on a 4runner either, but a Tacoma, which I'm pretty sure the 3rd gen 4runners are the same basic parts as a 1st gen Tacoma on the front.
 

iamsparticus

Take your Rig to the Edge
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Ogden,Ut
I like what manlaan said but i would add to the best thing you can do besides disconnecting the sway bar for wheeling is get lower bump stops for the ifs. It will give you several extra inchs of travel.

IFS can be great, look at last years winner of the XRRA opener he had a IFS buggy and so did winner of the KOH's Shannon Campbell, so IFS can work great with the right set up.

That said the reason i went to a SAS instead was the cost. You could be at least 2000 to 3000 in a well set up lift for any IFS. So i would lift it as cheap as possible disconnect the sway bars and but lower bumps in front and wheel it. Save up fora SAS later like you said you planned to and your golden
 

bschroeder

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Location
slc
So i think I have founr the route I'm going to go. I'm trying to find some free time to make it down to lehi and buy those bilstien coil overs that are adjustable from 2 to 4 inch lift. As for the rear I'm trying to pick up a set of fj80 front coils. Does that sound like it will work? I have read a couple things about the fj80 coils and it seems like they work great other than being a little stiffer.
 

iamsparticus

Take your Rig to the Edge
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Ogden,Ut
I did the Fj80 rear coils gave me about 4 inches of lift. They actually work better than the after market lift coils because of their stiffness, aka more stable ride but they flex great
 

cruiseroutfit

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There are lots of different 80/450 coils, and you could net anywhere from 3" to 5", just depends on the particular coils you score. Many have found them to be suitable springs, I've literally sold dozens and dozens of sets of 80 take-offs to those installing them on 4Runners, however I've had a handful that did not like the way it ended up, could have been a factor of the coils they ended up with or the spring rate not working for their needs... they ended up selling them off to the next 4Runner guy and going with OME coils.

As for the Bilstien/Tundra coil fronts, I was not impressed on my rig and I know a few others that felt the same way (bferg here on RME) for example. I ran it them for a short period on my Tacoma (near identical suspension) and it was bouncy and too soft, however I have a fairly heavy front end, winch, bumper, lights, dual bats, SC, shower, skids, etc, easily 250 lbs over a stock truck. Given the way my truck and Ferg's runner handled with the Bil/Tundra versus the OME setups... I'd guess that the Bil/Tundra would work much better under an unloaded or lightly loaded truck. You can do the full OME kit for just over $700, while its obviously over double that of a spacer setup, remember your install time & labor. The sky is the limit on how much you can spend, adjustable coilovers, air bump kits, remote reservoir shocks, etc. Just remember that simplicity and reliability are in my opinion a much bigger concern than minor performance increases. For example adjustable coil overs will likely need rebuilding every few years if not sooner, and if you daily drive it on Utah's salty roads you could need it even more often. Are they sweet, absolutely. Does the added cost and maintainance justify the double and triple upfront cost for the average daily-driver user, not in my opinion.

Spacers? Well if you like the way the Runner handles from the factory they are a quick and easy option. However even with a load of passengers and some light camping gear the stock suspension leaves much to be desired (not to mention the saggy rear coils 3rd gens were notorious for). Going with a full suspension not only gets you the desirable height, but also can allow you to dial in the spring rate and dampening you want. I'm absolutely in love with the way my suspension handles at this point. I'm running the OME 882 front coils, OME Nitro Sport front struts and a couple of trim spacers to help level it out. If I could get a similar free height coil with a tad more spring rate I'd even be a tad happier I think.
 
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bschroeder

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slc
Hey Kurt do you know if coilovers off of a taco will fit a runner? that is one more thing i do need to find out. I have heard that they do fit but am not positive
 
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