Are there any people here interested in off-road racing in Utah

[abhaulr1]

Yep thats cool. Im not trying in any way to undermine your efferts, just giving another view. I hope you can bring affordable racing back for the average joe to enjoy. I look forward to seeing the races and would love to meet some of you guys. Thanks Dwayne

 

[broncomitch]

very nice

it really would be amazing to have our own race's heir.

everyone loves Baja.

 

[Matt Stevens]

well I believe off-road racing can be more affordable(well as affordable as crawling anyway) My belief is that Off-road racing was started down in SoCal and the main bulk of suppliers for our parts are still down their so it is expensive to buy parts. to them a $15,000 set of a-arms is not that unreasonable which make sense when you consider the average cost of a home to them is $2,000,000 the cost of an average home to us here in Utah is $200,000 so if we get people here in Utah racing and making a demand for parts so that local shops and suppliers start popping up and selling parts. using the same price ratio as the houses then to buy the same $15,000 A-arms here in Utah would cost around $1,500. This would also help out the Utah economy offering new jobs in a very cool industry for people that chose to work at these new supply houses and shops. as for the entry fees well it takes a lot to put these races on but I for one am happy to pay it to go racing!

 

[Mug]

And for the budget builders, don't forget the "Sportsman" and other "Run what you brung" entry classes. The organizers knock the price down on the entry fee. You don't quallify for the prizes or cash winnings, but you still get a number, official times, start and run the same course with the big dogs (and even pass them ) and BFG will still pit you if you run their tires.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

I'm very interested. But I too doubt the "entry level" aspect of it. Look at any major racing or competition sport, in Utah or otherwise. Do you think they really started off the way they are now? Look at UROC, many RME'ers could detail the rise and change of UROC, don't get me wrong it was a ton of fun. But it started with rigs you could literally drive to the course, compete and drive home, and ended up as rigs easily approaching the $100k mark. The top competitors were doing it full-time and traveling from even the East Coast. Competition puts the crowbars to wallets and those with the $$$ to spend often prevail. Craig has done a killer job with his kick-back "Old School Rockcrawl", but if it became a series you can bet your dollar that big buck teams would start making the haul. One neat idea would be to have a street legal class, meaning they legitimately have to be street legal to compete.

Question? Are you well schooled in the BORE history and current status? BORE has been doing desert racing in Utah for 20+ years? Several RME members (neagtea comes to mine) were (are?) active in BORE and could really shed some light on the scene here in Utah. Shops like On'Off Road Haus and Bob's Off Road Haus among others really got their start in the desert racing environment, I remember seeing a Chenowith chassis in person at Bob's shop probably 15 years ago now, it was the coolest thing I had ever laid eyes on. As I recall BORE has recently been sold and its going to be bigger & badder than ever, trying to compete with something on their level could be very cost prohibitive.

I'm very interested to hear how your talks with the BLM go, permits and more importantly insurance for such an event could drive the entry fees into the hundreds of dollars, for many having to pay $200+ for each event would quickly rule them out? We are talking medical teams on call, EIS statements for all trails and areas run, all of which come out of the event organizers pocket long before a permit is issued. Not to say it would rule out all and I do think there could be enough to warrant the market, but it will be a hurdle to overcome. Even more interested to hear where your course is planned for the 5MPRA, its hard to do any bigger course out there without crossing sections of private property or SITLA land, and creating a "closed circuit" course to prevent course hazards by viewers or other recreators could be very difficult on any busy weekend. 5MPRA is very "weaved" and it would be very difficult to patrol, something the BLM and or your insurance company may very well want to see. Now, if by saying "5MPRA" your actually referring to the West Desert, then you could create a course with less disturbances but you better be clear of your intentions with the BLM as the 5MPRA is a definite area and very small in comparison to the other land in the area

Keep us posted!

Also, if anyone has an update on the BORE series I would be interested to know!

 

[broncomitch]

i think it would be totally AWESOME! but ya. the amount of money that it would take to put it on would be spendy. but thats what sponsors are for. i think if it got started it would grow really fast. = more sponsors.

and ya the trucks would get more and more built each time...if you let it do so.

set rules and restrictions on the trucks. or a different class.

in Finland they have rally race's every weekend, that as long as you can see over the wheel you can race. car's half to be the same value, (2 grand) meaning you cant put a 20 grand suspension in it or a 500hp motor that sorta thing. and if someone comes up to you and wants to bye your car you half to sell it to him. they say its to keep the drivers from spending to much money, taking it to serious, and keeps the racing close.

granted if i built my bronco into a racer i would not want to sell it to some Joe unless it's a REALLY shiny penny

but thats what different class's are for.

could do like a trophy truck type course, instead of a baja course. it would be more cost effective and smaller so easier to make and maintain. and with medical personal,your trailer, and a place for the spectators just essayer and nicer. and bound to attract more fans like RMR some average guy can take his family to the race's buy them food and candy or what ever, and dont half to swat the bugs off there ass trying to take a dump and haul a cooler around just so a truck can fly by. ya know?

but ya for sure count me in. and there are still lots of off roaders in utah that are not on this site. post a thing on planet4x4.net there mostly guys from ID and most of them into rocks or mud but might get a few guys.

hope this happens!

 

[rockreligious]

in Finland they have rally race's every weekend, that as long as you can see over the wheel you can race. car's half to be the same value, (2 grand) meaning you cant put a 20 grand suspension in it or a 500hp motor that sorta thing. and if someone comes up to you and wants to bye your car you half to sell it to him. they say its to keep the drivers from spending to much money, taking it to serious, and keeps the racing close.

granted if i built my bronco into a racer i would not want to sell it to some Joe unless it's a REALLY shiny penny


hope this happens!

This is how they regulate some classes in dirt track back east, you can challenge another competitor of overbuilding his engine, but the only thing that the promoters do is give the challenger the option to buy accused's motor for $900 so most competitors dont spend any more than that on thier motor.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

This is how they regulate some classes in dirt track back east, you can challenge another competitor of overbuilding his engine, but the only thing that the promoters do is give the challenger the option to buy accused's motor for $900 so most competitors dont spend any more than that on thier motor.

That is a very creative way to do it

They have to be willing to sell it for what they claim they spent on it

 

[Matt Stevens]

Well I have already worked out the fact with the BLM that when we do race at 5 mile the entire area will be closed to public use for that weekend. and I do intend to try and make it a 25 to 30 mile loop for probably 300 miles so there will be plenty of passes for the fans. as for a budget classes I will bring this up in our meeting on Wednesday. my problem with this is that if a budget car is too budget and therefore really really slow it could cause a hazard on the coarse with all of the dust. I personally have been coming thru a dust trail at 95 to 100 miles per hour before and all of a sudden realized it was a stock class vehicle going 20 mile per hour and almost totaled them out because I couldn't stop in 20 feet. give me some Ideas of what regulations we should put on such a class to keep them so that a normal Joe can afford to build one but at the same time set a standard so we don't have such junkers out there that they cause a hazard to everyone else. there has to be a happy medium here somewhere. also what does everyone think of making them a sportsman class so they don't get a pay back for wining, but they also pay a reduced entry fee? (sportsman classes race for a trophy only)

 

[Matt Stevens]

Oh and P.S. I forgot to mention I do know of most of BORES history and most of it has been crap mostly due to non-support by racers. we intend to change this by offering a few races a year IN UTAH not 200 feet from the nevada border and call it utah racing. the other way we intend to get people racing is by listening to the needs of the racers like in your posts of a budget class (great Idea) we are going to be changing the name of bore because I have a superstition that you should never name a new dog after an old dog that died Its just bad luck and the name is frankly quite boring we will still have races in northern nevada because like me alot of people really like geting out to wendover or where ever for the weekend and going racing, and they are some great tracks to boot.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Well I have already worked out the fact with the BLM that when we do race at 5 mile the entire area will be closed to public use for that weekend. and I do intend to try and make it a 25 to 30 mile loop for probably 300 miles so there will be plenty of passes for the fans.

The BLM really told you that they will close the entire 5MPRA for a private race?? Sorry I'm having a hard time believing that. There are 5 times as many recreators out there on a given weekend compared to the amount of racers and spectators that are likely to show up. If nothing else you are going to piss off hundreds of OHV and 4x4 users that can't use 5MPRA due to a race for 20-30? If they are willing to take the heat for that great, but I would really investigate their commitment as this will be very unpopular with the greater OHV community.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Oh and P.S. I forgot to mention I do know of most of BORES history and most of it has been crap mostly due to non-support by racers. we intend to change this by offering a few races a year IN UTAH not 200 feet from the nevada border and call it utah racing. the other way we intend to get people racing is by listening to the needs of the racers like in your posts of a budget class (great Idea) we are going to be changing the name of bore because I have a superstition that you should never name a new dog after an old dog that died Its just bad luck and the name is frankly quite boring we will still have races in northern nevada because like me alot of people really like geting out to wendover or where ever for the weekend and going racing, and they are some great tracks to boot.

BORE didn't die? Its my understanding it had a slow 2009, just one race (had 4 races in 08') but has recently been purchase by a major player in the desert racing scene and will be bigger and better than ever. Are you the BORE buyer?? If not then you can't "be changing the name of bore", its a privately owned entity . The reason they cite for the sale was that they couldn't get enough racers to cover the costs associated with the events, could it have been the way they ran it? I don't know but I can hardly imagine the location of the races actually being an issue. Professional rock-crawling never had a competition on public lands closer than 3-4 hours from Salt Lake City, they seemed to be just as attended as the ones in AZ, CA, NM, etc. Low budget moto racers will travel all over the state to compete, I honestly don't see the major draw as being "races close to home". For a guy in Ogden and even the north end of the SL Valley, the Wendover area is closer than 5MP. I would be interested to hear from others in that raced in the BORE series such as Mike from Summit Machine, I know they prepped a race ready Tacoma and competed in the BORE race earlier this year. Was it lack of market or a poorly organized event that drove competitors away?

There is a reason the Utah/Nevada border area has been used by racing and it isn't just so they can call it a 'Utah' race. That area lends itself very well to racing, very few other user conflicts, wide open roads with varying terrain. And a decent size town with racing roots for fuel, medical and parts needs. There is a reason the race promoter was called Bonneville Look at a map and see where the Bonneville are is

 

[SAMI]

Are you the BORE buyer??

And yes our group did buy Bore racing the name will be changed to better represent Utah and we will still be racing northern Nevada but we are working on new races for Utah.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Well I'm an idiot Where was that posted? Am I blind?


So you can rename BORE, but call me crazy but I like the name and even 5MP is part of the Bonneville legacy

 

[broncomitch]

ok CRAZY!

i think its a stupid name.

but this is not about what name to call it. its about how many of us wants this to happen.

and he could have bought anything.. all it takes is $$$

 

[SAMI]

Well I'm an idiot Where was that posted? Am I blind?

It's burried in post #6

 

[Matt Stevens]

It's burried in post #6

I believe it was the way it was ran. To my knowledge the previous owners never asked the race community what they wanted from a race series.. we have 8 board members as of right now and every one of us are avid racers from Utah to Mexico and every where in the middle. we all have strong ties with Snore, Score,BITD,More and on and on we have talked with many team from other states and they have committed to racing BORE if it holds races in Utah. And the most important thing to us is to gather popular Ideas from our Utah off-roaders and put them into action. our other big focus is to PROMOTE PROMOTE PROMOTE. The more visible we are the more sponsors the races and org will get. so please instead of coming up with reasons why it won't happen step up and lets do this thing for Utah. as for closing 5 mile they told me it would be a requirement and I don't think any riders will be upset to come out to a big event with vendors off-road vehicles hot chicks and all the good stuff that comes with Off-road racing. it will be better than Yuba lake back when the Eagles sponsored the bashes.:greg:

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...as for closing 5 mile they told me it would be a requirement and I don't think any riders will be upset to come out to a big event with vendors off-road vehicles hot chicks and all the good stuff that comes with Off-road racing...

Don't kid yourself. RR4W closes just a handful of trails in the greater Moab area for the annual EJS event and they take a bunch of heat over it. In fact each year users try to sneak past their groups to the point they have to station trail monitors at each trailhead. I can assure you that if I dragged my quads or buggy's out to 5MPRA to play around for a Saturday and found out that the are was closed so that 20 or 30 trucks could race around, I'd be bent. I may be the minority here but I can only imagine the OHV community ie. quads, dirtbikers and even mtn. bikers would be as bent or more?? Just a thought. Really I don't see the BLM moving forward with it, they would have to accept public comments on the proposed closure and I just don't see the general public letting it be closed for an entire day, presumable a Saturday? The 5MPRA is likely the busiest concentration of OHV users on any given weekend with the exception of holiday weekends at places such as Little Sahara, etc.

I'm not coming up with reasons it won't happen, I'm attempting to give you the 'flip side of the coin', if you'd rather I give you a **** eating grin and tell you your plans are 100% good to go, I'd be happy to do so My advice is this, host it closer to a host location such as Delta, Wendover, Cedar City, etc.

 

[Matt Stevens]

OK Kurt I'll take your comments into consideration. Thanks

 

[scoutabout]

Well I have already worked out the fact with the BLM that when we do race at 5 mile the entire area will be closed to public use for that weekend. and I do intend to try and make it a 25 to 30 mile loop...

Five Mile Pass is like 4x4 miles, so a 25-30 mile loop would have to be a zig-zag pattern or something.

I hope you make it happen and let us know when the race will be. Let us know how your Wednesday meeting goes.

I clicked on this thread because I think it would be awesome to do some "run what you got" races somewhere. Not Five Mile Pass, but out in the west desert.

I was thinking like street racing. Pick a section of road west of the sheeprocks and do time trials on anyone who enters. Underground style.

...the Bonneville legacy

It's the Bonneville Myth. Like Bigfoot.