Auto Tranny General Questions

cruiseroutfit

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(Not related to the stick versus manual conversation ;))

So I recently picked up an older Land Cruiser with what was described to me as a "bad transmission". This particular transmission is called an A440F and was used in Land Cruisers in the late 80's/early 90's behind an inline 6 motor (the 3FE). I had very little history on it, other than something like "I was driving to work one day and it went out". Fast forward 6 months of sitting and its now mine.

It starts up and runs great (engine wise), but there is absolutely nothing out of the trans, no squeaks, no squeals, no grinding, no lurching, not a thing. It acts as if its in Nuetral in every gear, zero feedback. You can run it through each gear, high idle, revved, etc and you get absolutely nothing.

I'm very naive with autos, nearly every Land Cruiser I have owned (albeit my other FJ62's) have had manuals that are literally trouble free. The most I've done on these tranny's is a fluid/filter change.

I did the obvious and crawled underneath to inspect the linkage, it sure looks like its shifting through the motions. Obviously I can't see whats happening on the inside of the trans regarding the linkage.

My question is this... does an auto tranny really just "fail" as in every single gear does absolutely nothing? What sort of failure would cause this? Could it be a failed torque converter?

I've been out on the trail with other auto failures and helped somewhat naively diagnose others, I've never seen one do nothing. They either makes some noise, have no reverse or slip in first type of deal. I do have a complete used A440F trans that came out of what I was told was a running/driving vehicle. What would you do before installing that trans? (have factory service manual and am 100% confident on the install itself). Should I have it inspected at a trans shop while its loose? Would it be wise to have the torque converter inspected or rebuilt?

Dollar wise I don't want to do an auto overhaul, if it comes to that I'll do a 5 speed transmission swap that is literally a bolt in for this application with the correct parts. The downside is that setup is ~$2k, worth investing into this clean rig but still a bunch of $$$ to toss into a spare vehicle.
 

Greg

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First thing I'd do is drop the trans pan and check it for material & see what the fluid looks like. Does it smell burnt?

I've heard that the FJ80 (and probably 60/62's) transmissions have an electrical plug that can be temperamental and cause major problems. It's on the drivers-side, close to the t-case if I recall.

How many miles, I'd guess around 200k? These autos are about good for that, afterwords they're a ticking time-bomb.

My old Camaro had a TH350 that went out.... I was in Drive, hammered the throttle and heard/felt a loud 'bang'. It wouldn't move in Drive just like it was in Neutral, but would drive manually shifting 1st thru 3rd. It lasted like that for a few more months until I replaced it.
 

cruiseroutfit

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fluid looks very clean, almost too clean. My guess is he tried to swap the trans fluid or top of the trans after the fact? I'll probably drop the pan tomorrow.

I'm trying to think what the plug your referring to could be? This is the same A440F as your 80 runs fwiw.

This one has 290k, one what seems like is a very original FJ62 (still has factory AM/FM deck).
 

Greg

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I just crawled under the FJ80, the wiring and plugs are on the drivers-side, but I had the location wrong. They are just behind the bellhousing, where the transmission & bellhousing meet. They run from the top of the transmission, down the side of it and between the frame & body. I read about the problem with the wiring on Mud back when I was researching issues with FJ80's. If I recall, the wires get hard from exhaust heat & the plugs can come apart.

The wires on ours have lost the loom and one of the wires has been patched.

I'm impressed that trans went nearly 300k! Makes me wonder if it did give up the ghost, that's a lot of mileage on a auto.
 

cruiseroutfit

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It wouldn't surprise me if it did give up the ghost, it served its purpose :D

It just struck me weird that it does absolutely nothing at all?
 

cruiseroutfit

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Could be the pump... no fluid pressure = no move.

True, not that I'm confident the lights still work, but it the AT Pressure or Temp lights are not firing. I know you can perform a pressure line test without tearing into the trans. I'll have to grab the FSM to check into the procedure.
 

Greg

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I might have to hit you up about info on the 5 speed swap sometime. I don't mind the 3FE, but I keep hearing that those motors wake up if you ditch the auto. Don't know that it's worth doing behind a 200k engine, but the 5 speed sounds pretty good right now.
 

jsudar

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Changing the tranny fluid is usually a last ditch effort to try and save a dying trans...that may be why the fluid is so clean. The previous owner may have had tranny problems and changed the fluid to try and solve them. If the fluid hadn't been changed in a really long time before that, sometimes new fluid will finish off a sick trans.

You should be able to find a troubleshooting chart that will list the possible causes for the particular condition you have. I know they make such charts for domestic transmissions, but I have never done an import tranny.
 

Bart

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If the fins in the torque converter have gone south it would act like no pump also. At 300k it could be anything.
 
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