Exciting morning

[harkinoff]

Too bad you didn't have a gun when the scumbag tried to kill you with his car. Aggravated assault is a Felony, but you could have saved us some taxpayer $$. He'll be out in a week, maybe robbing, raping, child molesting.. who knows what. (If he put my kids in danger like that, I'd have shot him dead given the chance.) Good job anyhow.

I feel the same way brother!!!
Our nation needs to start making examples of these freaks, all of them.. Public hangings etc.. Give these freaks an idea we are tired of this sheit....
Yes I am a radicule!!!! Peace out..

 

[James K]

Public hangings etc..

agreed, the consequences are not severe enough. IMO

 

[way2nosty]

agreed, the consequences are not severe enough. IMO

public corporal punishment beat the Fu(k out of them 3 times a day for 6 months, costs less then 5 year prison sentence - it may not adjust their behavior, but it would make the state enough money to revamp the prison system if they sold it ppv.

 

[way2nosty]

I applaud you for your heroism, but that was an incredibly unwise thing to do. Imagine the consequenses if He had broadsided you and killed one of his passengers.
YOU would be at fault, the reason why there is no Heroism is because it can be turned around around. A perfect example is people who stop at the scene of an accident and administer CPR not a good Idea, you are more likely to be sued then not.
Must my $.02

 

[Coreshot]

I applaud you for your heroism, but that was an incredibly unwise thing to do. Imagine the consequenses if He had broadsided you and killed one of his passengers.
YOU would be at fault, the reason why there is no Heroism is because it can be turned around around. A perfect example is people who stop at the scene of an accident and administer CPR not a good Idea, you are more likely to be sued then not.
Must my $.02

See, this is what I think is the problem with America today. People are so afraid of being sued that they let that possibilty overshadow what is right. If there was a better chance of people getting off their asses and doing something about it, then maybe these dirtbags would think twice before pulling this crap. This isn't over, I may be sued. However, I stood up and helped put a stop to something that I saw was happening. This dirtbag is in jail now, and I would like to think that I had a little something to do with getting him off the streets. I'm not saying that I couldn't have been hurt, but people die everyday doing anything. If I died trying to do what was right so be it.

Thanks for the concern everybody, but I don't regret my actions. I would have never gotten involved if there had been even ONE police vehicle persuing this guy. This guy had robbed a shop, and fled on a course that took him in front of the WJ police station, and then into my neighborhoood. The police never arrived until the guy who was chasing him followed him all the way to his house. Do you honestly think they would have ever found him or the stolen merchandise if they just called the police and let them handle it? It turned out that the police were there minutes after the guy got home, so they caught him, with the goods. I am in no way saying that the police do not do their jobs adequately, but they spread so thin doing other stuff, that sometimes there's just not enough of them around.

Sometimes, you just need to sack up and do the right thing.

 

[way2nosty]

See, this is what I think is the problem with America today. People are so afraid of being sued that they let that possibilty overshadow what is right. If there was a better chance of people getting off their asses and doing something about it, then maybe these dirtbags would think twice before pulling this crap. This isn't over, I may be sued. However, I stood up and helped put a stop to something that I saw was happening. This dirtbag is in jail now, and I would like to think that I had a little something to do with getting him off the streets. I'm not saying that I couldn't have been hurt, but people die everyday doing anything. If I died trying to do what was right so be it.

Thanks for the concern everybody, but I don't regret my actions. I would have never gotten involved if there had been even ONE police vehicle persuing this guy. This guy had robbed a shop, and fled on a course that took him in front of the WJ police station, and then into my neighborhoood. The police never arrived until the guy who was chasing him followed him all the way to his house. Do you honestly think they would have ever found him or the stolen merchandise if they just called the police and let them handle it? It turned out that the police were there minutes after the guy got home, so they caught him, with the goods. I am in no way saying that the police do not do their jobs adequately, but they spread so thin doing other stuff, that sometimes there's just not enough of them around.

Sometimes, you just need to sack up and do the right thing.

Yes, but you didn't KNOW, he was doing the wrong thing, Moreover by taking it into your own hands you put yourself, and others, especially your family if you have a Mrs and kids at unnecessary risk. The reason that the the US is getting shot to **** is because people don't use common sense to evaluate a situation, they act without thinking their actions through to their limits. Now I'm not trying to get on you about what you did, I admire courage, it's an admiral quality.

It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat. Roosevelt(1910)

 

[Mr.Chevy]

See, this is what I think is the problem with America today. People are so afraid of being sued that they let that possibilty overshadow what is right. If there was a better chance of people getting off their asses and doing something about it, then maybe these dirtbags would think twice before pulling this crap. This isn't over, I may be sued. However, I stood up and helped put a stop to something that I saw was happening. This dirtbag is in jail now, and I would like to think that I had a little something to do with getting him off the streets. I'm not saying that I couldn't have been hurt, but people die everyday doing anything. If I died trying to do what was right so be it.

Thanks for the concern everybody, but I don't regret my actions. I would have never gotten involved if there had been even ONE police vehicle persuing this guy. This guy had robbed a shop, and fled on a course that took him in front of the WJ police station, and then into my neighborhoood. The police never arrived until the guy who was chasing him followed him all the way to his house. Do you honestly think they would have ever found him or the stolen merchandise if they just called the police and let them handle it? It turned out that the police were there minutes after the guy got home, so they caught him, with the goods. I am in no way saying that the police do not do their jobs adequately, but they spread so thin doing other stuff, that sometimes there's just not enough of them around.

Sometimes, you just need to sack up and do the right thing.

My thoughts exactly. If I was in your place I would have done the same thing.

 

[muleskinner]

Umm, if you were in that exact situation and tried to shoot him, you'd be in the wrong. You put yourself in harm's way. It's similar to if you started a fight, threw the first fist, then pulled a gun when the other person tried to fight back. Although I think we all agree this guy needs to be removed from existence, you'd be in major legal trouble if you jumped in, guns blazing.
Devin

Yea, well, you sit back and worry about getting in trouble, while the criminals steal your stuff and walk free because you might get sued if you try to stop them.. let criminals rule your life, I'm not going to. Way to many crybabies are worried about criminal rights. They have more rights than we do in alot of cases.. If I'm on a public street and my car stalls, and this guy with a car load of stolen goods is obviously speeding towards me, trust me, he's getting ventilated. I'm so sick and tired of people trying to tell me whats right and wrong I can't even tell you. (Don't say merry Christmas, you might offend someone.. its happy holiday now... I don't think so! Merry Fawkin Christmas a$$hole!) I think if you go to prison you should be making big rocks into small rocks 16 hrs a day, no TV, no fun stuff, just work. Prison should not be a place to work out and hang with your other piece of sh!t buddies. I guarantee there would be less crime if it was an actual punishment. If I could type faster/better I'd tell you how I really feel

 

[V-DAWG]

Coreshot,

I hope you didn't take my reply as a butt chewing. Everything worked out well (except that your truck was damaged). It is easy to monday morning quarterback, but only the person IN the situation can tell if it feels right or wrong. For whatever reason- intuition, common sense, a higher power, etc- you felt safe enough to do what you did. In my opinion, that made your actions acceptable and correct.

I was just stating under most circumstances, speeding or even theft, is not a reason to risk your life or anyone elses. The department I work for does not allow vehicle pursuits unless it is a violent crime. The primary reason is liability. I don't think it is the fear of being sued in and of itself, but rather the fear of causing harm to an innocent, un-involved person. No persons life is worth losing over my property (which will be replaced by insurance) being taken from me, and that includes the bad guy.

...................this thread sure took a turn in the other direction

 

[cruiseroutfit]

I...A perfect example is people who stop at the scene of an accident and administer CPR not a good Idea, you are more likely to be sued then not.
Must my $.02

The good samaritan law makes you immune to lawsuits in the case of emergency medical assistance. You don't agree... sue me...

 

[Tacoma]

How did you KNOW the guy fleeing wasn't being chased by the guy in the truck for something OTHER than theft? what if the guy in the truck was a jealous ex-boyfriend or something?

I wasn't there, I don't know, but I'm not real sure I'd have done anything like that.

 

[muleskinner]

How did you KNOW the guy fleeing wasn't being chased by the guy in the truck for something OTHER than theft? what if the guy in the truck was a jealous ex-boyfriend or something?

I wasn't there, I don't know, but I'm not real sure I'd have done anything like that.

That seems odd, seeing your post on PBB about paying someone a visit while your back east, for possibly ripping someone off? You don't know what the story is with the con artist either.

 

[way2nosty]

The good samaritan law makes you immune to lawsuits in the case of emergency medical assistance. You don't agree... sue me...

there is caselaw that supports that the 78-11-22 doesn't protect you from lawsuit, it only adds one more hurdle.

 

[waynehartwig]

Everyone has a good point on this, but I'm glad you stepped up and did what you fealt was right - regardless of the outcome. You were protecting your family and your neighbors families. This a-hole could have easily been speeding through your neighborhood at 3pm when school had just let out. At the time you probably figured it was some punk kid that lived up the street. Maybe you have speeders on your street all the time and this time was in a position to do something about it. Either way, my hat is off for you!

 

[cruiseroutfit]

there is caselaw that supports that the 78-11-22 doesn't protect you from lawsuit, it only adds one more hurdle.

Show me...

 

[Tacoma]

That seems odd, seeing your post on PBB about paying someone a visit while your back east, for possibly ripping someone off? You don't know what the story is with the con artist either.

Well, that's true, but then, I never got the phone call either . I'd have asked for the email trail... And besides, I'd have gotten the other side of the story then. Rough equivalent? getting the guy in the car to get out, and then asking questions.

good call keepin' it REEAAAAL though In my experience it's just not a real good idea to chase people w/out a good reason... see someone speeding? Not a good reason TO ME.

but again, I wasn't there, didn't see that particular offense. Maybe I would have done the same thing. I for sure would have been on the phone. From here, on the Interweb, I just don't know.

 

[Coreshot]

Coreshot,

I hope you didn't take my reply as a butt chewing. Everything worked out well (except that your truck was damaged). It is easy to monday morning quarterback, but only the person IN the situation can tell if it feels right or wrong. For whatever reason- intuition, common sense, a higher power, etc- you felt safe enough to do what you did. In my opinion, that made your actions acceptable and correct.

I was just stating under most circumstances, speeding or even theft, is not a reason to risk your life or anyone elses. The department I work for does not allow vehicle pursuits unless it is a violent crime. The primary reason is liability. I don't think it is the fear of being sued in and of itself, but rather the fear of causing harm to an innocent, un-involved person. No persons life is worth losing over my property (which will be replaced by insurance) being taken from me, and that includes the bad guy.

...................this thread sure took a turn in the other direction

Maybe I deserve a butt chewing about this, FROM THE PROPER PEOPLE. Meaning law enforcement such as yourself. You guys see this stuff everyday, and are far more familiar with what the outcome usually is. You guys have to go talk to family members about about their loved one who just got himself killed for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. This I understand and welcome.

All I can say is when this was taking place, my number one goal was to get these two vehicles to slow down through my neighborhood, so I wouldn't be wishing I would have done something when a child was killed by a guy high on meth, traveling at well over twice the speed limit through my neighborhood. If you guys could live with that on your conscience, well, I guess good for you . Personally, I'd rather die trying. Your right, Tacoma, I am the only one who knows exactly what the situation was, and I made my decision.

For the record, I posted the exact same post on another forum, and didn't get one response demeaning me for being "incredibly unwise". They were talkng about how I should cause him more trouble by going to the jail. Totally different perspectives, I wonder why?

Way2Nosty, I like that quote from Teddy that you posted, fits my actions. I assume that's why you posted it? I hope nobody here thinks Teddy Roosevelt would have looked the other way...I think not.

 

[StrobeNGH]

there is caselaw that supports that the 78-11-22 doesn't protect you from lawsuit, it only adds one more hurdle.

It's more than a hurdle. It shifts the burden of proof to the plaintiff and reqires that he not only show that the defendant's actions were negligent, but it also requires the plaintiff to prove that the defendant was not acting with good intentions.
If the plaintiff can't prove that the defendants actions were not out of good will, than the plaintiff must then prove that the defendant's actions met a gross negligence standard (which means that the defendant willfully or maliciously disregarded the plaintiffs safety and acted knowing, or should have known, that injury was imminent.

It's more than a hurdle, it is a litigation killer (trust me, I'm a litigator). For someone stopping to help, it's almost impossible to prove a gross negligence standard. The result, you won't get an attorney to take the case (if an attorney does take the case, knowing that the case is bad, he could face sanctions).

 

[StrobeNGH]

It's time to ask the age old question:
Are you a Democrat, Republican or Redneck Independent?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans And Southern Republicans?

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife

and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist

with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes

with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises

the knife, and charges at you. You are

carrying a Glock cal .40, and you are an expert shot.

You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your

family.

What do you do?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!

Does the man look poor! Or is he oppressed?

Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?

Could we run away?

What does my wife think?

What about the kids?

Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?

What does the law say about this situation?

Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?

Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?

Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?

Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?

If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?

Should I call 9-1-1?

Why is this street so deserted?

We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.

This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Redneck Independant's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

click.....(sounds of reloading).

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!

BANG! click

Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips

or Hollow Points?"

 

[waynehartwig]

It's time to ask the age old question:
Are you a Democrat, Republican or Redneck Independent?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

Question: How do you tell the difference between Democrats, Republicans And Southern Republicans?

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife

and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist

with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes

with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises

the knife, and charges at you. You are

carrying a Glock cal .40, and you are an expert shot.

You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your

family.

What do you do?

<clearing throat>
I doubt the Democrat would be carrying a gun in the first place And if he was, he would probably shoot his family and himself first, instead of killing an "innocent" person.

EDIT: forgot to mention, I would shoot him.