Yes Flash Flood warnings were in effect.
Flash floods in Moab.
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Yes Flash Flood warnings were in effect.
BroncoMama
Rock Diva
- Location
- Just south of craziness
What a crazy weekend weather wise! We got caught in an ugly storm Monday late afternoon and by the time we got back into Moab, the entire town was without power. No stoplights and the water running down main street was deep enough to throw my truck around. 
Maverick
old-school
- Location
- Anywhere, thanks to my geeky droid
Friend of a friend, so to speak, but I'm sure I'll hear all about it in the upcoming weeks.
Brett
rholbrook
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Kaysville, Ut
Jessor04 spoke to the guy that owned both the jeeps. He said he would email the pictures. He was apparently upbeat about it because first and foremost..Family is all safe and second...Insurance. He was just needing to get them out to show to the insurance company.
Does he want to write an article for the Compass?
rholbrook
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Kaysville, Ut
Meat, your assuming that he can spell his name correctly. Jesse will have to answer that one. Well Jesse?????
jeep-N-montero
Formerly black_ZJ
- Location
- Bountiful
What a crazy weekend weather wise! We got caught in an ugly storm Monday late afternoon and by the time we got back into Moab, the entire town was without power. No stoplights and the water running down main street was deep enough to throw my truck around.
It was surely crazy, after playing around on Hell's Revenge we decided to go swimming at that spot up behind Potato Salad Hill and got caught in it on our walk out. I had sand in my eyes, mouth, and some up my nose! The power went out just as I was walking into City Market to buy a few things.
On Sunday it was even windier and blew over some of our tents.
1995zj
I'm addicted
- Location
- Herriman, UT
Figured some of you may be interested in these pictures as one of the Jeep's owners (Brian) posted up on another forum I'm on. He's a local from Draper and I told him he ought to join over here, we'll see though.
That's my jeep in the vid from KSL. Ouch.
You think your jeep was "tippy" in Kane Creek. Mine "tipped" about 50 times downstream.
We got a 911 call out to warn search and rescue because we knew there were a ton of people camped downstream and too close to the river. I've been through Kane Creek a hundred times and never seen anything like this.
Wouldn't you know that on this trip I decided to bring my full armada of tools which are now spread for miles downstream. We didn't even get out with our shoes on. Only enough time to get the kids out of the stream and get to higher ground.
My jeep was parked in front of the stalled jeep and was the first to get hit. It then was lifted over the other jeep sideways and they both rolled downstream for about 1 mile.
We left the car seat in the 4dr Rubi after rolling it back onto its tires the next morning to give passer-by's a little humbling visual. It was close. 9 kids and 6 adults.
It only takes Kane's creek about a day to dry up and be usable again. You will need at least 2 jeeps for a week just in case. It took us an hour to get back in the next morning winching ourselves all the way. The stream varies from a foot deep to 4 feet deep so watch where you place your tires.
I'm headed down this weekend to pick up what is left of our two jeeps.
If it's raining in the LaSals - I suggest staying out of Kane Creek. Go around to the Hole-in-the rock store and just wait for the flood. Should be pretty cool to see from high ground. Not so much from inside the stream.
Anyone that has gone through Kane Creek should note that the entire canyon from left to right was filled with water. I found out that high ground is not "out of the stream", it's on the side of the mountain at least 15 ft up.
Here's some aftermath pics to enjoy and if you like geocaching, there are $1500 worth of tools somewhere from the trailhead to 2 miles upstream. (and a phone, shovel, flashlights, keys, wallet, vaiar compressor tube with a very nice tire gauge, tow rope, did I mention tools?....sigh)
- Brian
Jesser04
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Kaysville Utah
The guy I talked to was kevin allsop the owner of the JK.I have yet to recieve pictures. I'm sure he has more stuff on his mind than emailing them to me. If I do recieve and email I will pass his email address on to you meat. We were standing on main street looking at dan micks hemi swap when kevin walked up. He asked dan if he knew anyone who could help him retrive his jeep and started telling his story I was blown away how dan acted like the whole thing was a joke he even went as far as laughing at the story. I now think dan is big D bag if I would have been thinking clearly I would have said log on to RME but I didn't....
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BChristensen
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CrawlerReady from another forum said I should poke my head in here. I'm a local Draperite.
The JK in the pic is Kevin Allsop's. The silver JK is mine. We had two other families with us on the trip. One of them had their first (and probably last) camping experience.
The Red Rubi had a little over 20k miles. The Silver Rubi had about 8000 miles. There isn't much left.
Someone asked about the insurance. We're both with Bear River and so far we've like working with them but we have yet to get the final valuation. The have told us they will not cover anything inside or lost from the jeep. Tools, shoes, phones, guns, etc.
We're both heading down Sunday to pick up the jeeps and bring them back. They should be out by tonight. We were in about 2 miles from the Kane/Hurrah fork. It's going to take a good sized buggy to flat tow them out. They had to get some wheels for the 4dr because the flood ripped them off or unseated them. The silver (mine) wheels are fine.
Bear River is providing two values, loss of the vehicle which should be high book value if they don't want a call from my attorney but they have said they will not cover anything that was not made a permanent part of the jeep. Tires are not covered. Winches are not covered. Lift is not covered. So they will provide a second value, Salvage value. If I take Salvage value, they will give me the difference from Salvage value and high book value. If the salvage value is low enough, I may take the jeep and see what I can do to get something out of it or sell it. It only had 8k miles (2004). In a flood, they basically have to total the vehicle. It's not salt water though so there may be some value to someone putting time into rebuilding or parting out. The silver Rubi would be an easy rebuild. Just the Terraflex LCG kit on it is worth a grand or so.
I need a pair of cheap tires and wheels to put on the jeep so I can take my new 35's off. Ideas?
After all of this, I think the rule of thumb for insurance is that they will give you the value of the vehicle according to book value and everything you've done afterwards is a loss.
We're going to pick up two new 4dr JK's as soon as the insurance gives us valuation. There aren't that many available on the market right now and I hear they will become a little more difficult to buy while the transport companies await payment from Chrysler.
Time to start over! I'll post some more pics later. The search & rescue guys were awesome. The UHP pilot was killer. And steve, his assistant was great. Once we knew everyone was OK, it became a great experience.
By the way, flash flood warnings were put into effect AFTER the Kane Creek Flood. I'm glad we got a 911 call out so they could get all those campers out down below. I have all the video and pics and will post some.
Brian
CrawlerReady from another forum said I should poke my head in here. I'm a local Draperite.
The JK in the pic is Kevin Allsop's. The silver JK is mine. We had two other families with us on the trip. One of them had their first (and probably last) camping experience.
The Red Rubi had a little over 20k miles. The Silver Rubi had about 8000 miles. There isn't much left.
Someone asked about the insurance. We're both with Bear River and so far we've like working with them but we have yet to get the final valuation. The have told us they will not cover anything inside or lost from the jeep. Tools, shoes, phones, guns, etc.
We're both heading down Sunday to pick up the jeeps and bring them back. They should be out by tonight. We were in about 2 miles from the Kane/Hurrah fork. It's going to take a good sized buggy to flat tow them out. They had to get some wheels for the 4dr because the flood ripped them off or unseated them. The silver (mine) wheels are fine.
Bear River is providing two values, loss of the vehicle which should be high book value if they don't want a call from my attorney but they have said they will not cover anything that was not made a permanent part of the jeep. Tires are not covered. Winches are not covered. Lift is not covered. So they will provide a second value, Salvage value. If I take Salvage value, they will give me the difference from Salvage value and high book value. If the salvage value is low enough, I may take the jeep and see what I can do to get something out of it or sell it. It only had 8k miles (2004). In a flood, they basically have to total the vehicle. It's not salt water though so there may be some value to someone putting time into rebuilding or parting out. The silver Rubi would be an easy rebuild. Just the Terraflex LCG kit on it is worth a grand or so.
I need a pair of cheap tires and wheels to put on the jeep so I can take my new 35's off. Ideas?
After all of this, I think the rule of thumb for insurance is that they will give you the value of the vehicle according to book value and everything you've done afterwards is a loss.
We're going to pick up two new 4dr JK's as soon as the insurance gives us valuation. There aren't that many available on the market right now and I hear they will become a little more difficult to buy while the transport companies await payment from Chrysler.
Time to start over! I'll post some more pics later. The search & rescue guys were awesome. The UHP pilot was killer. And steve, his assistant was great. Once we knew everyone was OK, it became a great experience.
By the way, flash flood warnings were put into effect AFTER the Kane Creek Flood. I'm glad we got a 911 call out so they could get all those campers out down below. I have all the video and pics and will post some.
Brian
BChristensen
New Member
More Pics
Here's a few shots from the list that give an idea of how sudden and big this was.
This first shot is my little girl playing in the little stream 2 minutes before it hit.
Canyon was dry.. this is the spot where the video on ksl shows water 3/4 up the Jeep. This is not the main channel.
My hood folded back which helped save the interior a little.
For a short video of the water...:
http://www.simpleproductscorp.com/img/Movie3.qt
Notice the nice sunny day.
Brian
Here's a few shots from the list that give an idea of how sudden and big this was.
This first shot is my little girl playing in the little stream 2 minutes before it hit.
Canyon was dry.. this is the spot where the video on ksl shows water 3/4 up the Jeep. This is not the main channel.
My hood folded back which helped save the interior a little.
For a short video of the water...:
http://www.simpleproductscorp.com/img/Movie3.qt
Notice the nice sunny day.
Brian
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01XJ
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Pleasant Grove!
Man im glad everyone is ok! From the story it sounds like you had just seconds to get out of there. Watching that vid sends chills down my spine just thinking what it would have been like to be in that . I would be a NERVOUS WRECK being in that wash trying to get things out after what happened! i would be so afraid of more water coming thru again!!
. I would be a NERVOUS WRECK being in that wash trying to get things out after what happened! i would be so afraid of more water coming thru again!!
greenjeep
Cause it's green, duh!
- Location
- Moab Local!
Man, that is way crazy! So glad you guys are ok, especially the kids!!
bobmed
- - - -
- Location
- sugarliberty
Definitely a trip to remember.
Glad everyone is OK.
Glad everyone is OK.
BChristensen
New Member
Who steals stuff when your down?
Interesting followup. The tow company went in Sat. morning 6am and got both of them out Sunday morning.
They replaced the tires on the red jeep and then went to the silver jeep to bring it back to the red jeep. While at the silver jeep, someone had take all the bolts but 1 off trying to steal the winch (warn 9.5ti). They dismantled the bumper and lost all the screws so it then couldn't be towed out by the bumper.
Then they went back to the silver jeep after getting the red one ready and someone stole the Warn 9.5ti off that one. I can honestly say that it has never occurred to me to steal something off a disabled jeep thinking that the owner probably is either injured or just down on their luck.
The winches are likely toast anyway because of the water and sand inside. I was headed down today to tow them home but couldn't because the jeeps have so much sand in everything that they weigh too much to haul. The red rubicon now weighs about 12k to 15k pounds and a half-ton had a hard time hauling it. The deflated tires took in so much sand, they now weigh 300lbs each. The axles wouldn't turn from the sand and the stearing wheel had to be dismantled to get it to turn freely due to the sand inside the stearing mechanism.
Hopefully the idiot that stole my winch isn't on a this forum but in the event he glances at this sometime, keep in mind that insurance does NOT cover accessories like that so telling yourself "he'll get a new one from insurance" is not correct.
That winch was going on my new JK but now I have to buy another one. I like to think people are inherently good but I have to think opportunity overcomes dignity.
Here's to hoping it all comes back around to you my friend... karma that is.
B.
Interesting followup. The tow company went in Sat. morning 6am and got both of them out Sunday morning.
They replaced the tires on the red jeep and then went to the silver jeep to bring it back to the red jeep. While at the silver jeep, someone had take all the bolts but 1 off trying to steal the winch (warn 9.5ti). They dismantled the bumper and lost all the screws so it then couldn't be towed out by the bumper.
Then they went back to the silver jeep after getting the red one ready and someone stole the Warn 9.5ti off that one. I can honestly say that it has never occurred to me to steal something off a disabled jeep thinking that the owner probably is either injured or just down on their luck.
The winches are likely toast anyway because of the water and sand inside. I was headed down today to tow them home but couldn't because the jeeps have so much sand in everything that they weigh too much to haul. The red rubicon now weighs about 12k to 15k pounds and a half-ton had a hard time hauling it. The deflated tires took in so much sand, they now weigh 300lbs each. The axles wouldn't turn from the sand and the stearing wheel had to be dismantled to get it to turn freely due to the sand inside the stearing mechanism.
Hopefully the idiot that stole my winch isn't on a this forum but in the event he glances at this sometime, keep in mind that insurance does NOT cover accessories like that so telling yourself "he'll get a new one from insurance" is not correct.
That winch was going on my new JK but now I have to buy another one. I like to think people are inherently good but I have to think opportunity overcomes dignity.
Here's to hoping it all comes back around to you my friend... karma that is.
B.
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01XJ
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Pleasant Grove!
What a bunch of no good worthless piece of S$#@'s I cant believe that someone would do that
I hope they really feel good about their selfs! It would be nice to know who did it and give them a swift kick in the nuts! Sorry to hear about your loss of the rigs and all your stuff and the winch that someone just figured they would help their self too Just glad to hear all you fam and friends are safe thats all that matters!
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1995zj
I'm addicted
- Location
- Herriman, UT
That's ridiculous! I hate hearing when someone steals **** off of a broken down vehicle, do they really think the person just abandoned it and doesn't want anything off of it?!
I can't imagine how much sand is in those Jeeps though, when are you going back down to attempt another retrieval?
I can't imagine how much sand is in those Jeeps though, when are you going back down to attempt another retrieval?
BChristensen
New Member
not going down.
The tow company out of Moab pulled them out Saturday. 20hrs @ $250/hr. Do the math. I'm in the wrong business.
Let's see... Build a wicked tow buggy, retrieve 10 vehicles in Moab throughout the year, pay for the buggy and all the "retrieving" fun plus have enough left over to put on a killer gettogether in Moab for all your buddies. Sounds like a deal.
I'm letting the insurance deal with the tow company. They might just tell the tow company to keep the jeeps (they were double their estimate). At least it is cheaper than a heli.
Personally, I think I could have recovered the jeeps in 4 or 5 hours each but I don't have any rigs to do it anymore (yet). Comprehensive insurance is the only way to go.
I will give cudos to Doug Smith Auto in Lehi or Am. Fork though. One of the owners offered to set us up with new jeeps at near their cost. It's guys like Chris Smith that make you feel good about people. I've got my new JK 4dr on hold.
Brian.
The tow company out of Moab pulled them out Saturday. 20hrs @ $250/hr. Do the math. I'm in the wrong business.
Let's see... Build a wicked tow buggy, retrieve 10 vehicles in Moab throughout the year, pay for the buggy and all the "retrieving" fun plus have enough left over to put on a killer gettogether in Moab for all your buddies. Sounds like a deal.
I'm letting the insurance deal with the tow company. They might just tell the tow company to keep the jeeps (they were double their estimate). At least it is cheaper than a heli.
Personally, I think I could have recovered the jeeps in 4 or 5 hours each but I don't have any rigs to do it anymore (yet). Comprehensive insurance is the only way to go.
I will give cudos to Doug Smith Auto in Lehi or Am. Fork though. One of the owners offered to set us up with new jeeps at near their cost. It's guys like Chris Smith that make you feel good about people. I've got my new JK 4dr on hold.
Brian.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
First and foremost, glad to hear everyone came out safely, the most important factor.
Second, I hope this is a major lesson not only to those involved, but those reading too. Southern Utah is a desert with a venomous propensity to Flash Flood. Kane Creek being one of the most common spots, I'd like to think that isn't a secret, maybe some signage near the entrance would be appropriate? Weather forecasts both before and during any such outing should be used to gauge the risk factor, a weather radio is cheap and easy to operate and many CB's and HAM radios have the instant ability to hit the weather repeaters with ease from most locals. Incidents like this are 100% preventable with caution and planning. We actually discussed heading to some SE Utah spots over the weekend but the reports of incoming weather (aka flash flood concerns) kept us closer to home in the high ground. I'd rather be wet and muddy than floating
Again, glad everyone made it out OK and the insurance companies and you are working it out. To the scumbag that made off with the winch... karma will find them.
Second, I hope this is a major lesson not only to those involved, but those reading too. Southern Utah is a desert with a venomous propensity to Flash Flood. Kane Creek being one of the most common spots, I'd like to think that isn't a secret, maybe some signage near the entrance would be appropriate? Weather forecasts both before and during any such outing should be used to gauge the risk factor, a weather radio is cheap and easy to operate and many CB's and HAM radios have the instant ability to hit the weather repeaters with ease from most locals. Incidents like this are 100% preventable with caution and planning. We actually discussed heading to some SE Utah spots over the weekend but the reports of incoming weather (aka flash flood concerns) kept us closer to home in the high ground. I'd rather be wet and muddy than floating
Again, glad everyone made it out OK and the insurance companies and you are working it out. To the scumbag that made off with the winch... karma will find them.