Bobzilla
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Ground Zero Mosque, how do you feel?
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Bobzilla
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go to,
danielpipes.org
reflections on an islamic center in lower Manhattan dated August 16, 2010
Not quite the article to back up your story. I am aware of honor killing, but I still didn't see anything saying Canada let it slide. Here are some excerpts from that link.
Not in Canada.
Awaiting trial.
Life in prison.
Father = second degree murder.
It doesn't look like Canada let's these killing slide, like you stated originally.
GOAT
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This link http://daryllang.com/blog/4421 shows some other stuff about the same distance from this supposed hallowed ground called "ground zero". It is no secret how I feel about 9/11. If a super rich muslim could buy "ground zero" and build the world's largest mosque on it I couldn't care less.
Hallowed ground...my a$$.
thank you
how long have we been waiting for the "freedom tower" or whatever memorial to be built? as far as im concerned, the lying, fear mongering, fervent flag wavers can suck it.
Tacoma
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Not to nitpick, but the New Testament pretty much does away that kind of thing. As you are a.. secular humanist? I can't hold that against you.
On most other points you've made here, "agreed". That said, there is not much worse to me than a radical Muslim, as far as how wacked out of their MINDS they are to do what they do with a clear conscience. This opinion comes mostly from my time in Afghanistan talking to as many locals as I could, 99% of whom were Muslim-- but not bomb-wearing Taliban acid-throwing wedding shooting wackjob Muslims. I would consider THOSE Muslims are clear and direct threat to not only my physical person, but my country's ideals of freedom and tolerance as well. They pretty much require rational people to put them to death though, which is unfortunate, and complicates the argument for tolerance by at least double...
anyway. Pat Robertson just texted me sternly for agreeing with you, Cody. *sigh
EDIT: oh yeah, original topic: I think the entire uproar over this particular Muslim project is a little overblown. Yes, they really have it coming, given the intense POV of NYC residents in this particular case. So it's a lot of attention-whoring on the part of the project backers. But they absolutely have the right to install their center there if they want. I would support any likely protesters in much the same way though. Pretty touchy subject on-site.
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Here is a nice rational set of points written by Roger Ebert on the subject...I especially appreciate point #9.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/08/ten_things_i_know_about_the_mo.html
And something he wrote on September 12, 2001.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/08/ten_things_i_know_about_the_mo.html
And something he wrote on September 12, 2001.
Bobzilla
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Not quite the article to back up your story. I am aware of honor killing, but I still didn't see anything saying Canada let it slide. Here are some excerpts from that link.
Not in Canada.
Awaiting trial.
Life in prison.
Father = second degree murder.
It doesn't look like Canada let's these killing slide, like you stated originally.
It looks like you are correct on Canada not letting the killings slide, I stand corrected, point being that at the time of one of these killings the canadian justice system was having some trouble prosecuting one guy because of sharia law, I am happy to find out as you did they did prosecute the wack jobs for murdering thier own daughters.
Are you kidding you? You just got corrected using your own "research". Holy shit! That has to be the most embarrassing thing that could possibly happen to someone in the midst of any discussion. lol
Talk about head in sand
I just find it absolutely comical, in a lot of ways, that when a Muslim commits murder it's because of his religion. When a Christian commits murder it's because he's a social deviant. That a Mosque near ground zero is in bad taste, but a Japanese community center near Pearl Harbor is ok. I bet there is even a Mormon church near Mountain Meadows ha ha.
Bobzilla
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Are you kidding you? You just got corrected using your own "research". Holy shit! That has to be the most embarrassing thing that could possibly happen to someone in the midst of any discussion. lol
Talk about head in sand
I just find it absolutely comical, in a lot of ways, that when a Muslim commits murder it's because of his religion. When a Christian commits murder it's because he's a social deviant. That a Mosque near ground zero is in bad taste, but a Japanese community center near Pearl Harbor is ok. I bet there is even a Mormon church near Mountain Meadows ha ha.
I don't think I was speaking to you, and I think some else was speaking about heads in the sand, but obiviously you are a much better person better than I, no problem admitting when I am wrong, do you have the same capability? I see alot of nothing but of negative BS from you, but you never seem to stick to the subject matter?
So how do you stand on the question? mosque yes or no?
Amazingly, you're the only person in this thread that doesn't know my opinion. Had you actually read or attempted to understand what I said, you would absolutely know what my opinion is. This doesn't speak well for your reading comprehension or pragmatic reasoning ability, but that was already made completely obvious by your complete lack of recognition of the information contained in your own supporting research
I have answered the question, complete with my reasoning as to why I have the opinion that I have. You feel I am changing subjects, but I'm not--I'm investigating. Arguments are like artichokes, the more layers you peel away, the closer you get to the heart and that is what matters to me. My issue isn't with your opinion--you're allowed that--it's the logic you use to defend it that I take issue with. While you no longer possess the credibility to sway me on a purely fundamental issue such as this, I would acknowledge and accept the legitimacy of your opinion (even if it was opposite of my own) if you were able to reasonably defend it using logic and information. But since you are clearly unwilling or unable to do so, I just take your views as hateful projections of your own intolerance. Call me negative, but I'm not the one with the distaste towards 1/3 of the worlds population.
In the end, this isn't a question about yes or no. There are major fundamental and philosophical issues at hand here and you obviously know that or you wouldn't have brought it up. I just think you weren't prepared to intelligently discuss them, so now you're backpedaling to a rhetorical position that mitigates the potential for a discussion that you are not prepared to take part in.
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ID Bronco
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Wow, four pages and the exact respones I expected. I am always amazed at the "free thinking, non religious, religions are the root of all evil" type points made on this board.
Jack said it best if we stick to the thread . Legal, absolutely and not one for courts. Bad taste, totally, undeniably. I read an article yesterday and have not found the time to look it up yet, but it stated that the gal in charge of it wanted it to be a symbol of tolerance and a unifying kind of thing. Well knowing how others feel about it and if she is not lying she would not try to push it through when it will be anything but unifying. It makes me not believe the other reasons she had to justify it.
Again, private property rights are very important so they have the right but others have the right to protest against it in a reasonable way and to dislike it, even if its venomously if they don't break the law doing it. (not saying its right)
Jack said it best if we stick to the thread . Legal, absolutely and not one for courts. Bad taste, totally, undeniably. I read an article yesterday and have not found the time to look it up yet, but it stated that the gal in charge of it wanted it to be a symbol of tolerance and a unifying kind of thing. Well knowing how others feel about it and if she is not lying she would not try to push it through when it will be anything but unifying. It makes me not believe the other reasons she had to justify it.
Again, private property rights are very important so they have the right but others have the right to protest against it in a reasonable way and to dislike it, even if its venomously if they don't break the law doing it. (not saying its right)
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Bobzilla you obviously have not done a bit of research and you are just spewing hatred based upon crap that you have seen online. Do you believe everything you read on the net? You are welcome to your own opinion but it would seem to me you are doing nothing but trolling here with your stupid question. What do you care how I or anybody else feels toward what is happening in NY. It would seem more like you are trying to gauge what others feelings are so you can then spew more crap about your hatred toward a religious group that you know nothing about.
I hate any organized religion and find most to be nothing more then an over exaggerated story that has been used to manipulate the masses to the will of a few. If you want to believe in one of them and that helps you get through the day great, glad you found a crutch to lean on. Though the more somebody tries to make me believe in ones beliefs the more aggravated I become about their beliefs. I used to love it when the Jehovah Witnesses would come to my door. I would offer them into my home to talk about the devil and watch them run like roaches out of my yard. They finally got the clue and put me on the black list, never got a knock on my door again. You may be asking what does this have to do with your question. The more you try to push your views onto others the more you are going to run into resistance. Look at Cody for instance. He might have had the same views as yourself about there being a Mosque at ground zero but because of your ignorance he will push your buttons and throw some actual intelligence back at you. You want to have a debate take a step back, do some actual research other then some crap you found on the net, and try having an actual discussion based on facts not hear say.
I hate any organized religion and find most to be nothing more then an over exaggerated story that has been used to manipulate the masses to the will of a few. If you want to believe in one of them and that helps you get through the day great, glad you found a crutch to lean on. Though the more somebody tries to make me believe in ones beliefs the more aggravated I become about their beliefs. I used to love it when the Jehovah Witnesses would come to my door. I would offer them into my home to talk about the devil and watch them run like roaches out of my yard. They finally got the clue and put me on the black list, never got a knock on my door again. You may be asking what does this have to do with your question. The more you try to push your views onto others the more you are going to run into resistance. Look at Cody for instance. He might have had the same views as yourself about there being a Mosque at ground zero but because of your ignorance he will push your buttons and throw some actual intelligence back at you. You want to have a debate take a step back, do some actual research other then some crap you found on the net, and try having an actual discussion based on facts not hear say.
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Heads in the Sand, Heads in the Sand, Heads in the Sand. Not only incredibly sad and blindly naive but just plain dangerous liberal views on the true nature and threat of an aggressive Islam which is living a 1000 year old Jihad and shows no inclination to enter the 21st century. Democracy, freedom, tolerance are not part of Islamic theocracy. When a massive religion enslaves and has enslaved 1/2 of it's population ( Women!!!! ) for the past 1300 years, something is rotten to the core. Evil Sharia Law and all it's consequences can not just be glossed over like it could not happen in Western Societies. Heads in the Sand. Heads in the Sand, Heads in the Sand.
For sure.
Why do I feel like you're going to buy a bulldozer, turn it into a tank with a concrete filled metal cab, and start driving through civic buildings?
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Bobzilla
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Hatred has nothing to do with it, they have the legal right to build whatever it is they want at ground zero,
I am against the mosque or whatever they want to call it today or the next day because, I as well as many others believe that some people whom are are supporting this mosque, have intentions to further their agenda to promote sharia law in the USA, I suppose that time will tell what happens.
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Me or him?
It's painful that I feel like have to point out that I'm not the one talking about conspiracy theories, furthering religious agenda's, or the gradual overtaking of the US government by an extreme religious minority. The antecedent to "extreme" being minority, not religious. (in case that wasn't obvious) So, if you actually think I'm the paranoid one then I'm completely beside myself and not willing to participate in this discussion any more.
I wish there were an airplane trick for explaining things to people. That seems to work when I need to make my nephew eat his grapes.
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Nope. But the LDS church owns the property and built a monument there in 1999.
