Gun cleaning - What best?

cruiseroutfit

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I need to get back in the practice of cleaning my guns after using them a time or two. Traditionally I haves used Hoppes solvent and oiled them afterwards. Standard cleaning procedure... just read the instructions on the Hoppes kit.

I guess it works, but a shotgun I use alot is getting the slightest hint of oxidation on the exterior... certainly I was behind on oiling it but I would think there would be some really decent and long lasting oils on the market?

Sportsmans has a crap ton of different brands and methods, seems like each employee has their favorite. What do you use?

Anyone use the bore snake? I seem to remember a thread about them in the past, only downside is price... I would need 7 different snakes though I think some calibers are close enough to work on two different guns?
 

DOSS

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1. Snake bores are some of the greatest things for cleaning a rifle I would invest in them.. wait until after hunting season and buy them when they are on sale :)

2. as for Oil.. seriously Synthetic motor oil.. if that is not enough coverage than synthetic gear oil (great for use on your slides on a semi auto) - Mobile 1 works great - Take a look at your gun oil and its performance and then the synth :)

3. you can also use brake cleaner to clean your rifles bore out and it is nice to get into the tight places that you can't get to without a full stripdown.. (Note do not get this on your varnished surfaces)
 

Meat_

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Hoppes #9

Clean the bore with it, put a light film of it on the wood and exterior metal.

Never used a bore snake, they do seem like they would work very well. You should be able to use one size for calibers that are close to it.

If you have some HEAVY deposits in your barrel that #9 wont get use some of this stuff CR-10 (but use it outside)
 

cruiseroutfit

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Thanks for the tips guys. I hadn't thought of synthetic motor oil, don't see why it wouldn't work. I did have a guy recommend Sea-Foam spray lubricant, picked up a can from AZ tonight... not sure if I'll use it on the guns but I might give it a try.
 
I'll second the bore snake. When I was a nut about keeping my gun clean, I tried everything to see what worked. The bore snake was the best by far. Just put a little cleaner on the tip and run it throug a few times. Would be kind of a big investment with many different calibers, but a good investment for your most used guns, especially rifles.
 

Tacoma

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Boresnakes and Hoppes No.9.

I just use Hoppes on exposed metal... seems to work. I have 2-- one for 9mm/.308, and another for 10mm. THey do an AWESOME job, and they're easy as hell to use so you actually WANT to spend the time cleaning. I used to hate that stupid rod w/the wipes. :mad:

They are seriously a great invention. Put some Run DMC on though, because fat laces without rap is wrong. :D
 

lewis

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Lucas gun oil is definately the best stuff I have used. Got it at six states for under 5 bucks. Will never use anything else. Not for the cleaning part, just the after oil, slicker than snot.
 

Badcop

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Anything that is a CLP, Cleaner Lubri Preservative, make sure it is the teflon additive. Just dont get any of anything on plastics or varnish, it will prematuraly deteriorate the materials.

And if not a CLP fan go with TooeleCherokees plan, but Id use carb n choke not brake clean ,the chlorines will harm alot of synthetic materials.
 

DAA

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I use Sweets 7.62 bore solvent and then clean/oil everything with Break Free. Break Free is amazing. Maybe I'll try a boresnake one of these days.

Best advice so far, in my opinion, and the closest to what I used to do.

Just my opinions, and nothing more from here out. But, they are opinions based on having used pretty much every type of gun cleaning product ever made. From the electronic cleaners like the Outers units, to more than a dozen types of solvent, to Bore snakes, and lots of other stuff, too. A disclaimer that needs said though, the majority of my experience has been with bolt action rifles, and for the last fifteen years or so, most of that has been with extremely high quality, very accurate custom made rifles. I have not messed with factory rifles much for quite awhile.

First, just my opinion, so don't everybody get all pissed off about it, but I personally won't use a bore snake on ANY barrel I care much about. Won't hurt a shot gun barrel with one I guess, and they do come in handy in some situations. But for every day rifle barrel cleaning - NO THANKS! Unless you have absolutely perfect form and technique with one, it WILL damage your barrel and cause a loss of accuracy over time. That's my opinion, based on close examination of many, many rifle barrels using a Hawkeye bore scope.

What's most important in cleaning a rifle barrel, is the rod and rod guide you use. Spend the money on quality equipment here. A high quality one piece rod that closely fits the bore and has good quality bearings in the handle, plus a high quality rod/bore guide. Good cleaning rods will cost you more than bore snakes, but they are a far better investment for preserving the accuracy of your barrels. The actual cleaning products you choose are far less important than a good rod and and a good rod guide. You don't use a rod guide you say? Then I guarantee you that you are damaging either the throat or the crown or both on your rifle barrel with every single stroke of your cleaning rod.

As far as cleaning products/chemicals go... There are a bazillion and one kinds on the market today and at least half a dozen of them that work pretty well. I do not recommend the Hoppes though. The OLD Hoppes #9 was "the stuff". Worked really well on carbon (powder) fouling and would get copper eventually if left to soak long enough and enough brush strokes were applied. And personally, I LOVED the way the stuff smelled. BUT... The ingredient that made it work so well, is also said to cause cancer, and the "real stuff" has not been in production for more close to twenty years now. The new stuff just does not work NEARLY as well as any of at least a half dozen other brands. My opinion, anyway...

Best all around cleaning solvent I have used in recent years is Montana X-treme. Takes carbon fouling out quicker than any other traditional solvent I have used (and honestly - I really have used them all - most provided to me free by the distributors for evaluation). Works reasonably well on copper too, given enough time to soak.

For straight up copper fouling removal, without taking a day or two to let the solvent soak, plain old Sweets 7.62 still works pretty darn well. The Barnes copper solvent works about the same. There are others that are even more effective, but I do not recommend them, as they need to be used with caution to avoid damaging the barrel.

If you want to use traditional solvents and are in a hurry, a good way to go is to use Montana X-treme first, to get the top layers of powder fouling out. Then patch out the MX completely, and then give a course of Sweets or Barnes to get out the copper. Be careful not to ever let two different kinds of solvent mix in the barrel though. Some of them absolutely DO NOT play well together and you'll end up with an etched barrel if you aren't careful.

For really neglected, heavily fouled barrels, nothing beats the abrasive type products like JB Bore Paste or RemClean. I use these often, on problem guns that I end up having to deal with, but do not recommend them for regular use. If you have a real big ugly cleaning job on your hands though, they are a good way to go.

For oiling inside of the barrel, my personal current favorite is Butch's Gun Oil. Anything that doesn't have PTFE's in it should work just fine though.

For rust prevention on the outside, I've been using a product from Shooter's Choice called "Rust Prevent" for many years. It has worked well. There are other products that do just as well, but I like the smell of this one and it is easy to work with.

Now, all that said... For the last several years, I have been cleaning all my rifles with a different kind of product altogether. It's one of the foaming bore cleaners you see now days. I like the original one, called "Wipe Out". It's hard to find though, as they just weren't very good business men. I initially got a case of it from the original distributor to hand out to my friends for field evaluation. When that case was all used up I paid for the next case and still have a couple of cans left. I was told that Outers bought out the Wipe Out guys. But I have also been told that the product Outers is selling is not the same formula and not quite as good. Have not tried the Outers yet myself though, so not too sure.

But, anyway... This Wipe Out stuff is absolutely fantastic! Just spray the bore full of foam, let it sit over night, patch it out, DONE! Makes cleaning rifles almost TOO easy. And it really works. Gets out ALL the carbon, and ALL the copper, at the same time. I am absolutely FANATICAL about getting my rifle barrels 100% clean, and will go so far as to use an expensive bore scope to make sure there is no fouling left in them. And this stuff gets them there, with almost no effort. Best stuff I have ever used to clean a rifle by several orders of magnitude. I highly recommend it!

And, cooincidentally enough... I have three rifles sitting here right now, that have been soaking with Wipe Out since Sunday evening. Guess I'll patch them out and finish them up now :D.

- DAA
 

DOSS

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I forgot don't use the chlorinated brake cleaner :)

oh and I use seafoam on my revolvers and to spray into trigger and action mechinisms works great
 

cruiseroutfit

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Wow, lots of great info... its going to take me a bit to digest it all. Interesting how the advice is all over the place, but I expected that :D
 

Brett

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Just curious how a Boresnake degrades the barrel-- it's got nothing I can see that will hurt it?

I've never used one, but looking at the pictures of them, they use friction to clean the barrel? Is that right? I would only guess that after time they would slowly wear the barrel........maybe?
 

DOSS

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I've never used one, but looking at the pictures of them, they use friction to clean the barrel? Is that right? I would only guess that after time they would slowly wear the barrel........maybe?

So does a bore brush and rod... I think that you are less likely to damage your barrel with a Snake as it will inherently spin on its own and the rod (since it doesn't have one) will not be hitting the sides of the barrel causing issues :)
 

DAA

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Just curious how a Boresnake degrades the barrel-- it's got nothing I can see that will hurt it?

The damage I have seen from them is caused by sloppy technique. By not pulling them straight out the muzzle and allowing the "rope" to make contact with and abrade the crown as the snake is being pulled through. This kind of damage is basically instant, and of course cumalitive if continued. The degradation of accuracy caused by very minor crown damage may never be noticed with a typical Rem-Chester Deer Blaster, but even the slightest damage will be very much noticed, very quickly, on an accurate rig. Crown damage is usually pretty easy to diagnose and repair too though.

But crown damage can be avoided with proper use of the bore snake. Just a lot of the guys I have seen using them at the range, have no clue, and it makes my teeth hurt just to watch them going to town with a bore snake coming out of the barrel at 45 detgrees, egging out their crowns with every single inch.

But even with perfect use, I still don't like them. I'm just not a fan of dragging the crud back through the barrel, and unless you totally clean the snake after every pass, that's exactly what you'll be doing.

Probably no big deal at all for most users in most applications though. And the snakes really can be just flat handy in many situations. I think carrying one on your person while big game hunting is a fine idea. And I know guys who DO know exactly what they are doing, use them rather frequently in high volume shooting situations such as prairie dog shooting. Likewise I know of high power "rattle battle" shooters who will pull a bore snake through between relays. That all makes perfect sense to me, especially if you understand how to use one. I can't see why anyone would buy a snake rather than a good cleaning rod though. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Having both, and using whatever makes the most sense at a given time, I can see, but depending on nothing but a snake to really get a barrel clean, I'm just not seeing it.

But again, I should point out, my typical application might be a lot different than someone elses. I'm generally dealing with super accurate rifles, and I'm way anal about the stuff on top of everything else. What makes sense to me, might not make much sense for someone else. Use whatever makes the most sense to you for your own circumstances.

- DAA
 

Tacoma

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Ah, you have a point-- a small, very technical one, but a solid, valid one nonetheless!

You're dead-on about superaccurate rifles-- they need the kid gloves.

Thank you for your considered and reasonable answer. :D
 
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