Hemi in a TJ?

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
Hey Guys,
I have a buddy who is looking to put a Hemi in his TJ. I believe its an '05-06 Rubicon.

Anyways, he needs it to be street legal when finished, who do you recommend to do it? Anyone have a ball park cost of getting it done?

Let me know what you know/think?

Thanks in advance,
 

RockChucker

Well-Known Member
Location
Highland
TeraFlex does jks. I would think they could do a TJ. Cost....I just did a cheap ls conversion at $4k. Budget about 4 or 5 times that for a HEMI probably
 

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
Tell me about your LS conversion. Did you go with a chevy tranny too? Street legal? MPG, Horsepower?

I think the Chevy conversion is a better way to go, but he likes the "hemi" idea...
 

chadschoon

Well-Known Member
Location
lehi
I think you have to go with the manufactures motor Chrysler / hemi to make it street legal and the motor had to be newer then the vehicle I believe
 

notajeep

Just me
Location
Logan
LS is super easy to put in a TJ. This is what all the swap places will tell you, and they are right.
What they will not tell you is that there is no reliable way (as of last month) to make the TJ gauges work with the chevy motor. The TJ uses a CAN protocol (sp?) meaning that the computer takes all the signals from the motor and drivetrain and then sends that to the gauges. So to keep all of your factory gauges working you have to make the Jeep computer think that there is still a jeep motor. Water temp and oil pressure are pretty universal. Where you'll find trouble is the tach and the check engine light.

Maybe I'm just venting...
LS in TJ kicks butt, HEMI would too, and your gauges would work...
Rambling... gotta stop drinking at work...
:greg:
 

notajeep

Just me
Location
Logan
Of the HEMI swaps I've done and or worked on, they have all used the the auto that came with the motor. That being said, I don't know if the TJ auto would last long. My guess would be probably not?? But hey, stranger things have happened.

Oh, I figured out the mystery of the missing motorhome....
One of the rse guys "borrowed" it for the weekend and forgot to tell me.
 

UFAB

Well-Known Member
Location
Lehi Ut
The dash gauges and passing safety/ emissions with an LS in not really an option. Many people say motor swaps are easy and cheap, Novak gives you enough information to be dangerous, but having a healthy bank account will resolve any obstacle. The motor is the cheapest part, all the other hidden costs and adapters plus labor can be pricey for sure.

Have a budget and seeing how far it goes is the first step. I won't even work on other people's motor swaps, just because most of them try to cut corners with a tight budget.

A kit like http://burnsvilleoffroad.com/ makes it very adaptable in the JK. Unfortunately the TJ doesn't get the attention like the JK as for complete hemi swap kits go. Might have something to do with the electronics..
 

RockChucker

Well-Known Member
Location
Highland
I did a ton of research before I committed to the swap. After all it is a pretty significant undertaking. ;) I got my info from a lot of places. Novak was a lot of help, but there were things I had to figure out on my own or get the help from someone else. Like Mitch said, the motor is the cheap part of the swap.

I retained the AX15 that was behind the 4.0. Lots think I'm crazy and that I'm going to have problems, but I don't think I will. Every AX15 that I have seen fail is bearings and synchros. They seem to hold up well behind strokers too. If you buddy has an auto, I'm sure he will want to keep it auto. This presents a couple problems that are pretty easily overcome. First, he will need to get an adapter and output shaft for the GM trans. I would recommend a 4l65e. This is a great trans, electronic control, overdrive and a 4 speed. It will probably be a little longer than the current trans config, but since the motor moves forward in the conversion, he probably won't lose much, if any driveshaft length (I gained about 3-3.5" of driveshaft length). The other thing to consider with the auto is the console shifter. I do not know if you can make the stock Jeep one work or not. You would probably have to get an aftermarket one. Art Carr or Winters and Lokar both make good ones.

If you want to get technical with laws, federally speaking it is illegal to put any motor in the vehicle other than what it came with from the factory. That said, it is very easy to get a Gen III motor to pass emissions in Salt Lake county. You have to retain all of the EVAP system and have 2 cats (one for each cylinder bank).

As to what notajeep said about gauges....I have the stock TJ cluster and all the gauges work just as they should. Novak has developed a signal converter that takes the GM tach signal converts it so the Jeep CANBUS system can understand it. It is a pretty slick system. However, in order for any of your gauges to work, you have to retain the Jeep computer. Being that your buddy's Jeep is an 05-06, chances are the computer probably controls a lot more than just the engine like in my 97. It would probably be a nightmare to make everything work right if you removed it. Oh and I figured out a way to make my check engine light work. Took a little thought and some soldering, but it works like a champ.

After the swap is done you have to take it down to the I/M tech center in Murray. They will inspect it and make sure all the required emissions control systems are in place and FUNCTIONAL. You can not just put them in for show and have them disabled in the computer. They will reset the computer to make sure their monitors don't go instantly "ready."

I have been averaging between 20 and 22 mpg and have approx 350 hp at the crank. And it puts a big fat grin on your face when mash the throttle.

Good luck. Let me know if you have more questions. I don't claim to be an expert, but I can help out some.
 

DAA

Well-Known Member
Supporting Member
I have been averaging between 20 and 22 mpg and have approx 350 hp at the crank. And it puts a big fat grin on your face when mash the throttle.

I get all dreamy when I hear something like that about a TJ :D.

Someday... And if I had to or were able to do it right now, it would be the same motor you did - not the Hemi.

FWIW, I pay attention to all discussions like this, because it is in my long range plans to put a stronger motor in my Jeep someday. Mine is an '06. What little I know for sure, is that the PCM and harness are somehow different or have different programming on the '05-'06s than the previous years of TJ's and a lot of aftermarket support that does exist for the electronic side of TJ motor swappage, is specifically NOT for the '05-'06s. So, having an '05 or '06 vs. a '97-'04 is a complication, for sure. Still, as already pointed out, with a fat enough wallet, there are a handfull of outfits that can provide the support to make it happen. Or, with a fat enough brain and enough time, you can make it happen yourself.

I'm kind of hoping that by the time I can actually do the swap, someone will have a nice complete DIY kit for the Pentastar that addresses it all, motor mounts, exhaust, cooling, electronics etc. From what I've seen so far driving and riding in '12 JK's, that is a sweet little Jeep motor.

- DAA
 

lhracing

Well-Known Member
Location
Layton, UT
When you say it needs to be "street legal" then that may limit your options. Before you start on this type of project you may want to talk to your county emissions people. The laws could have changed over the years but at one time on vehicles built after 1983, the engine had to be one that was an option from the manufacture for the year built thus it had been tested and EPA certified in that chassis. If he is looking for more power he may want to look into a turbo or blower kit that has been CARB certified. There are companies like Teraflex that do conversions but I think if you ask them point-blank if their kits are CARB certified most will say no.

If someone has information on current laws please correct me.
 

anderson750

I'm working on it Rose
Location
Price, Utah
I have an LS1 with a 4L60e sitting on a pallet that was supposed to be for another project. I have been itching to put this in my Jeep..........
 

thenag

Registered User
Location
Kearns
If someone has information on current laws please correct me.

I had an 87 ford bronco that came with an 4.9L I-6 and I put a 460 from a 96 f350 in it. Bronco's never had a 460 as an option. Outside of Ca, and NY, you can usually get a vehicle to pass if you swap in a newer motor than the vehicle and put in all the emissions equipment that was on the donar vehicle. Mine was really easy I used all OEM parts, no custom parts. I soldered the under hood wiring into the bronco wiring harness. I retained all the emissions equip from the 97.

I passed emissions every year, I had to go to the SL County office, but never had any issues.

Mine were both OBD I and required a sniffer test, I would bet OBD II would have a few more obstacles.

Nathan
I am done with motor swaps.
 

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
With everyones different examples of what they did with their swap and what they had to do to pass emissions, it just proves that none of the stations know what the real rules are. So do what you want, and if you fail a test, take it to the next shop down the road.
My swaps have never had an issue. For example, I do a two into one exhaust and only use one cat.
 

Jinx

when in doubt, upgrade!
Location
So Jordan, Utah
I have an LS1 with a 4L60e sitting on a pallet that was supposed to be for another project. I have been itching to put this in my Jeep..........
Want to sell?
Miles?
Price?
What is it out of?

I think this guy is going to want a shop to do the work/swap vs: him trying to do it.

Anyone have a recommendation on a shop?
 
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