Here is one for you cops...

STPPINZ

STPPINZ

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Date: Christmas Eve

V1 was NB in the Left Turn Lane. V2 was SB in lane. The Driver of V1 Stated he thought V2 was preparing to turn right onto Antelope Road at the Light. He and a witness stated V2 turn signal was on as she approached the intersection.

V1 turned left and was struck on the passenger side by V2.

That was the exact description in the report. Who is at fault?

I just got the report this afternoon and to my dismay....NO CITATION WAS GIVEN. Im kind of at a loss. I was taught that when you approach an intersection it is your responsibility to proceed through traffic.

I haven't talked to the Layton Officer yet but I am assuming that no citation was given because they "thought her signal was on". It shouldn't mater should it? Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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left turn must yield to oncoming traffic. period. V1 should receive a citation
but I am not a LEO but had to deal with this one before... :D
 
It was probably something like- The driver of V1 was a family member/friend of investigating officer, therefore favoritism was granted...

It happened to me years ago, and it made getting the guy's insurance to fix my car nearly impossible.:mad:
 
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Does this change the situation?? V1 were missionaries, Driver from the UK. V2 was my wife. The only thing I can think of is that some favoritism is happening. I have talked to two LEO's this evening, one from Layton and one from Bountiful and they have echoed what has been said. Left turn always has to yield no matter what. How often is it that no citations are issued in such a cut and dry crash?
 
Pretty often, probably.

I was once passed on the left in the Avenues, chick slammed into me and ripped off her passenger side.. fender LOL and bent my driver's side bumper way forward.

No tickets, no accident report, nothing. She was a little tiny security guard, I was in a big lifted truck, bearded, with flannel shirt, boots... and a handgun on my hip. :rofl:

Turns out she didn't have insurance, which was nice to write down in my official complaint. :mad: Made it a bit harder on my insurance company.
 
Not alway true for every Department:

Vehicle One listed in any accident report is usually at fault.
A citation does not need to be issued as an indication of fault.
The insurance Companies will deal with each other......

Instead of talking with other LEOs, you need to talk with your insurance company. They are the ones that will deal with this......

I have seen it that insurance companies based on there own investigations/review change who is at fault and pay accordingly.

and of course cops are always the bad guys......
 
redbulltj said:

and of course cops are always the bad guys......
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I am friends to a lot of cops, they are all pretty good guys.

But...In my case-

The investigating officer (Utah County Sherrif) told me that he deer hunts with the young man that hit me's father. Had known the kid since he was born. When the kid hit me head-on with my wife(7 months pregnant) and 1 year old daughter in the car, he was on the wrong side of the road, in my lane. For this kid to not be cited was rediculous, and that cop was an asshat.:rolleyes:
 
What others have said, Utah Law says that when turning left you have to yield to ALL oncoming traffic (not some, not most, but all). Since there was no citation given for whatever the reason is the past, too bad, so sad. Now what you have to do is rather than trying to change the past (it won't happen) look to your insurance company. Make sure they fight this tooth and nail for you.

As to why no citation was given, there may have been some favoritism, there may not have been any. It may not have warranted a citation seeing as how they both did something wrong, was your wife cited? A citation doesn't equal guilt or being at fault.
 
Coreshot said:
I am friends to a lot of cops, they are all pretty good guys.

But...In my case-

The investigating officer (Utah County Sherrif) told me that he deer hunts with the young man that hit me's father. Had known the kid since he was born. When the kid hit me head-on with my wife(7 months pregnant) and 1 year old daughter in the car, he was on the wrong side of the road, in my lane. For this kid to not be cited was rediculous, and that cop was an asshat.:rolleyes:
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You should have called and requested a different officer, simple as that. :p (I know, hindsight is always 20/20 :D)
 
If that is the accident I think you're talking about one of the managers at my work witnessed that. Don't remember what she said about it though.
 
Supergper said:
What others have said, Utah Law says that when turning left you have to yield to ALL oncoming traffic (not some, not most, but all). Since there was no citation given for whatever the reason is the past, too bad, so sad. Now what you have to do is rather than trying to change the past (it won't happen) look to your insurance company. Make sure they fight this tooth and nail for you.

As to why no citation was given, there may have been some favoritism, there may not have been any. It may not have warranted a citation seeing as how they both did something wrong, was your wife cited? A citation doesn't equal guilt or being at fault.
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On the report that I had to BUY for $5 no citations were given even though it was not in the description. There was just a slash in Ash citation box.

I was planning on getting my insurance involved but I am just curious on what the LEO's explanation is. They are usually pretty comical.

About 10 years ago I came up on a accident in which the wrecker was pulling the car on its bed. The HP did a horrible job lighting up the scene and letting other drivers know that there was an accadent and that he was on sceen. I didn't really slow down until I was right on top of him waving his flashlight at me. I turned onto a side street and really didn't get to close to him. He jumped into his cruiser and pulled me over for, get this, not obeying the international law for stop. All 5 feet of this HP trooper barely could see into my slightly lifted XJ at the time. He told me and my wife that moving a flash light on the ground in front of you is the international sign for stop. Of coarse he denied saying that in cort but the judge still threw it out. This guy was a real treat.
 
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projektdotnet said:
If that is the accident I think you're talking about one of the managers at my work witnessed that. Don't remember what she said about it though.
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When I got their there were a bunch of witnesses being very helpful. She nailed their Mazda 3 real good. I don't think she could of hit it better if she were aiming. I am glad she was in our Surburban and not our car.
 
my girl is a dispatcher for the pd and she always tells me that a citation is not always given at accidents...and its not the police departments job to determine fault... its the insurance companies.... but as far as layton city goes... they are hurting really bad for money and cite everyone for everything... and most all the fines are $587...

So take it up with the insurance company.
 
That sounds like my accident from years ago . I was V1, and V2 had signal on, was in right lane to turn right, I started my left turn, and she changed her mind and went straight, and right into me. It was simple, I was the person turning left so it was my fault. That was in Midvale City and they gave me a ticket.
 
STPPINZ said:
When I got their there were a bunch of witnesses being very helpful. She nailed their Mazda 3 real good. I don't think she could of hit it better if she were aiming. I am glad she was in our Surburban and not our car.
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If one of them was in a papa john's uniform it was probably one of my managers. Glad to hear she is ok.
 
Theres easy proof to make if the signal was on, pull the light and look at the fillament (sp) if it has an arch in it the signal was on, if its straight or broken it was not. If its broken it blows the statement of the other driver and prooves a "cold snap" happened showing it was NOT on at the time of the accident. If the insurance has any investigator worth anything he'll be able to see it.
 
Badcop said:
Theres easy proof to make if the signal was on, pull the light and look at the fillament (sp) if it has an arch in it the signal was on, if its straight or broken it was not. If its broken it blows the statement of the other driver and prooves a "cold snap" happened showing it was NOT on at the time of the accident. If the insurance has any investigator worth anything he'll be able to see it.
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Very interesting. I will have to check that out. But even if the blinker was on does it really matter? What if she was pulling a car with her hazards on or what if they mistaken the day running lights for the blinker. It still negates the point that it is their responsibility to yield to all traffic turning left.

We ended up just using our insurance and having them deal with collecting from the other insurance. The other party was being way to slow. The job alone is going to take 7-8 days and they haven't even started to order parts. And it has been over a week now...
 
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