Here we go again...
- Thread starter drtsqrl
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Rick B said:
I don't know either, but for those interested, I'm along with friend that is looking to buy it if we think it is is worth it at EJS, if we do, I can tell you right now, it will not be access without permit. Were looking to buy it to get some peoples ego's back to earth in rockcrawling. About Pritchett Canyon, if it is owned it is legal, if it is just lease it isn't. That is why they can do that, that land is owned by that person, if it was leased he would still have to give right way, just like my couisin does on his area down there on land he has that we were looking at buying before this come up.
XJEEPER
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Highland Springs
allterrain said:
Good points Alan, I don't think we want this blip any brighter on the Greenies radar screen.
I'm personally interested in buying shares and having the property managed by the Utah4WDA. I will also commit the support of NAXJA IC.
allterrain
AllTerrain
- Location
- Cedar Hills
XJEEPER said:
U4 Will have a booth inside the Arena at EJS just as we do every year. This year we are sharing the space with Blue Ribbon, United and USA-ALL.
I would be happy to hand out info on this issue and have our booth staff up on it for the attendees education. I would like to suggest Brian Hawthorne to run point at EJS as he can get more coverage with his new position as Lands Director for the BRC and his connections at United.
Many on this board are affiliated with U4 and can spread the word as well.
Man, this is what it's all about. A grassroots effort to DO something about saving trails! If we can pull this off, I will see that it gets covered in every 4x4 mag and legit 4x4 press resource.
BLH said:
My Brentbonics
are a little rusty so please help me understand what you are trying to say about the permits? Are you saying you are going to require permits or are not going to require permits if your buddy acquires the land? Also what do you mean about bringing some peoples egos back to Earth?supergper said:My Brentbonics
that's ok! I will post it in easier way. 1: I got maps and info of area 2: I got money to buy it, thanks to my friend that is interested in land down and wants to go in on it. 3: We are going to go down at look at it and decided if it is worth buying and how much we are willing to put up for it. 4:If we think it is worth buying we will be at that auction to bid on it. 5: The rest will be answered after we get it, only thing I can tell you is it will be still accessible, just not way it it is now.
(The rest is for Jeep-Slc People on here!)
You all on the Jeep List did tell me to get more involve, well I am! Some of you might not like it, but didn't like way I was involved before by helping out on all the work party's posted, so I'm going at it a different way. yes I got tired of telling me to get involve in stuff I was involved in by people that were there and they knew I was, even some that knew weren't there and knew I was there also. I wouldn't have issues I have if I didn't get involved. May my problem is, I'm not singling people out( Maybe I out to start doing that!). But that isn't me! Maybe that comes from my Military training but also could come from people I know in other states.
Sad part is on this, I really learned who people really are in the 4x4 community now. I understand, but some are never going to understand me, but will be in there best interest to do so, since I'm never going to go away. Reason is I believe and love freedom. I also don't care if I'm like or hated and don't make decisions without looking at all the stuff, even if it is bad. Brentbonic's might be something to learn in future, Alan name it it was good and fun, but now I not on list it means little more. So just support others post on here from now on. I you guy's out bid us, they you won't have to worry, so get u4wda to do it! HA!HA!HA!
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
My freakin head hurts!
Maverick
old-school
- Location
- Anywhere, thanks to my geeky droid
BLH said:
Brent,
That is SO cool. Let us know if you and your friend are going to do it.
Please explain "it will be still accessible, just not way it it is now"
(The rest is for Jeep-Slc People on here!)
BLH said:
You have PM.
we've acknowledged all along that you are ALWAYS there to help with work parties, that's why we were so confused about the other stuff. Check your PM.
Let us know how it goes with your friend, so that we know whether or not to put together a trust and get donations.
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supergper said:My Brentbonics
My guess is Brent thinks that U4 would only do this for an ego trip. Just a guess. I could be wrong.
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BLH said:
Who's got the ego?
A bidding war against each other would be a lose/lose situation, so let's not go there, I've got better places to spend my limited money than to the state, if the price gets driven up because of bidding (I have no idea how the bidding works)
We've got one goal here: keep the roads accessible. I don't give a s*** who gets the credit. Life is just too damn short to keep score.
Brett
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Mcstiff
Registered User
- Location
- Greeley, Co
I don't know what the conflict is between these two groups (?), hopefully it is not anyones plan to try and profit (financially) from this sale.
So far I have heard of 3 private wheelers thinking about buying this land. On top of that there is the community effort behind U4. That is 4 separate parties bidding against each other for, hopefully, the same cause: Keeping the trails on the land open! Can somebody explain how the hell bidding against each other is good? Would it not be better to pool the communities resources and have the ability to buy more than just this lot?
I am worried that the effort will fail unless we as a community become more synergistic. If every ones end goal is truly continued access to the land then it should not matter who outbids who unless it is the 4wd community out bidding the closure community. Lets hope that whoever bought the land around lower does not want this lot too, if that is the case then I doubt any of us will be able to out bid them alone.
So far I have heard of 3 private wheelers thinking about buying this land. On top of that there is the community effort behind U4. That is 4 separate parties bidding against each other for, hopefully, the same cause: Keeping the trails on the land open! Can somebody explain how the hell bidding against each other is good? Would it not be better to pool the communities resources and have the ability to buy more than just this lot?
I am worried that the effort will fail unless we as a community become more synergistic. If every ones end goal is truly continued access to the land then it should not matter who outbids who unless it is the 4wd community out bidding the closure community. Lets hope that whoever bought the land around lower does not want this lot too, if that is the case then I doubt any of us will be able to out bid them alone.
ME! Ha! Ha! Ha! What is U4Wda doing on it? if they are doing something about it, I won't bother look at it, since we got couple other places we are looking to buy. We add it to are list after I saw it on here, t answer other post, yes we are look at it to profit from it, but we also aren't going to get into biding war with others over it. Expecially if our state association finally steps up to plate and leaded way. But if we buy it, it won't be open to anyone without get premission.Maverick said:
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
Mcstiff said:
Who do you know that is interested in buying the property? If you would, please forward all the info you have to me on the buyers...
A bidding war will do no good for the 4x4 community... nor will buying it for profit, that is in no way the intent of any action take buy the U4WDA association (a non-profit org.)...
I am still waiting to hear back from all of those that had hook-ups in the industry.... Lets get this ball rolling...
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
I really don't see how you could gain a profit from the purchase of this land. Rent it for competitions maybe? doubt it. charge entrance fee? How many wheelers do you really think can or will actually take their rigs on this trail?
Mcstiff
Registered User
- Location
- Greeley, Co
cruiseroutfit said:
I forwarded you one person allready, there is another who was mentioned in the CO4X4 topic, and then the one above.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
Mcstiff said:
Cool, I havn't heard from any of them personally... I will be working on this throughout the week (as I work, go to school and prepare for the U4WDA's booth at the Doug Miller Outdoor Show!)
- Location
- Grand Junction, CO
I agree that this needs to be an orginized, group effort, no matter where the money is coming from.
Sounds like we've got a good headstart on keeping this land on the right hands!
Sounds like we've got a good headstart on keeping this land on the right hands!
allterrain
AllTerrain
- Location
- Cedar Hills
Brent,
I don't know why you want to antagonize U4 or what your beef really is with the organization.
I have known you for a few years now and we have worked side by side on some good projects and trails. You have always stepped up and offered help. Then you became vocal about your dissatisfaction and belief that U4 did not do enough. Please PM me if you would like to share your thoughts and help me understand your side of it because right now, no one is winning.
U4 is by no means a perfect organization. We are just a group of wheelers who got tired of seeing trails closed and wanted to get involved in changing that. We NEED input from clubs and individuals to do our job. We need new members, volunteers and soldiers. That is the whole reason we exist. Sometimes the wheels turn slowly with government agencies and politcal situations but we are always there trying to do something. Countless letters get written, meetings attended and phone calls made and we get out on the ground and offer labor to the FS and BLM. We let our members know what is happening with trails so that they can get involved in thier own way.
This land auction is just another way we want to help if we can. Whether we manage it or not is of little concern as long as it remains OPEN to use by motorized recreation. That is our bottom line. Ideally, a club would adopt it and we would offer support and help with paperwork, grant applications, BLM Permits, whatever. The members and wheelers are U4. Don't like the leadership? Become a member and vote us out.
Alan
I don't know why you want to antagonize U4 or what your beef really is with the organization.
I have known you for a few years now and we have worked side by side on some good projects and trails. You have always stepped up and offered help. Then you became vocal about your dissatisfaction and belief that U4 did not do enough. Please PM me if you would like to share your thoughts and help me understand your side of it because right now, no one is winning.
U4 is by no means a perfect organization. We are just a group of wheelers who got tired of seeing trails closed and wanted to get involved in changing that. We NEED input from clubs and individuals to do our job. We need new members, volunteers and soldiers. That is the whole reason we exist. Sometimes the wheels turn slowly with government agencies and politcal situations but we are always there trying to do something. Countless letters get written, meetings attended and phone calls made and we get out on the ground and offer labor to the FS and BLM. We let our members know what is happening with trails so that they can get involved in thier own way.
This land auction is just another way we want to help if we can. Whether we manage it or not is of little concern as long as it remains OPEN to use by motorized recreation. That is our bottom line. Ideally, a club would adopt it and we would offer support and help with paperwork, grant applications, BLM Permits, whatever. The members and wheelers are U4. Don't like the leadership? Become a member and vote us out.
Alan
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
The RR4W dudes are running the trail today to get some good GPS coords, hopefully we will know more about the property in the next day or two....
Stay tuned...
Stay tuned...
Cool!
I'm really not into winch fest trails, but I am into making sure those that do like that stuff able to does down there. It was posted, hope it isn't for profit, I agree with that, just if me and my friend end up buying it, we will charge to do it, only cause we bought something we really won't use. That is why I posted we aren't going to get into biding war. I just wished we would have know about Lower Hell Durrado, that would have been know brainer, I like that area. Still working getting access to that from new owner, or I should I say my cousin is doing it.
I'm really not into winch fest trails, but I am into making sure those that do like that stuff able to does down there. It was posted, hope it isn't for profit, I agree with that, just if me and my friend end up buying it, we will charge to do it, only cause we bought something we really won't use. That is why I posted we aren't going to get into biding war. I just wished we would have know about Lower Hell Durrado, that would have been know brainer, I like that area. Still working getting access to that from new owner, or I should I say my cousin is doing it.
cruiseroutfit said:
Actually tomorrow (Sunday) is when we will be GPS'ing the trail. I'll post the info when we get it.
Yesterday afternoon, our land use officer and myself met at the trailhead with Lt. Dalton of the San Juan Sheriff's Office, and the fences came down! Well, at least some of them. The fence across Strike Ravine and the entrance to Lower Helldorado was cut down, but the fence accross the upper end off Lower was not removed (Lt. Dalton, after walking the length of Lower Helldorado, said he would have to check with the county again before removing the last fence.) He said he would contact us about the last fence asap. When he left the trail, he intended to locate the land owner, and personally inform her the the trail (Strike Ravine, at least) was not to be closed without going through the proper channels.
So, as of right now, Strike Ravine is officially open. Lower Helldorado is not, however the fence at the entrance is gone, and Lt. Dalton acknowledged the people will use the trail. Hopefully we will have an official decision on it soon. This does not mean that the trails will not be officially closed sometime in the future, but the landowner can not close them without going through the proper legal procedures. For anyone who uses these trails, please remember that both sides of the trail are private property.
Jeff
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
drtsqrl said:
Awesome... glad to hear all the good news!
Thanks Jeff and stay in touch!