High Mileage Motor oil?

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pokeyYJ

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Is that stuff that is "formulated" for high mileage motors any good?

I just turned 78K and was thinking that maybe I should try that stuff.

What about the synthetic motor oil?
 

Vonski

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Payson, Utah
"high mileage" oil is a marketing ploy. The one that cracks me up is the "4x4" formulated oils. Don't buy into them...

Synthetic and synth. blends are a waste and not neccesary when changing your oil at correct intervals. Sure, they claim that you can go longer periods between oil changes with the synthetic, but it's still not cost effective.

Mobil 1 is a good oil, no doubt. However, any of the higher grade motor oils would be fine. They are all held to strict industry/government standards, so there are no "huge" differences between them.

My Father owns an oil company, so we end up talking about oil alot. :D
 

Shawn

Just Hanging Out
Location
Holly Day
Well...


I have ran Quaker state, Pensoil, and I stiil run Castro in my truck.

I run Mobil 1 in my WRX and my wifes Tribute.
After 3000 miles the oil (mobil 1) in our cars has barely changed color.

With the other oils, they would be almost Black buy 3000 miles.


I'll pay the extra money for the Mobil 1,

I like my cars and want to keep them around.



ps,,


Ever looked into a motor that has had Pensoil ran though it :eek:
 

Caleb

Well-Known Member
Location
Riverton
I am going to try an oil I came across the other day in my new tow rig,(well the salesman came to us actually) but its called schaeffers...we did some friction tests and it smoked the other including mobil 1 (but it was the best of all the others we tried) we even tried 100% lucas oil...if you have ever seen lucas you know what I am saying when I say its some thick crap...it really didn't do too well...schaeffers is expensive though, about 2.50 a quart I believe...
 

Turbobob

Semper Fi
I also run the Mobil 1 in my wifes WRX. Same results. After 3000 miles, it is barely changing color. I also have a friend with a 1993 suburban. He has run Mobil 1 since it was new. It has just over 200,000 miles on it and he did an upgrade on the cam. He said the stock cam and lifters had no signs of visible wear. Pretty amazing. As for puting synthetic in an older motor, like it has already been said, if you don't have any oil leaks, you soon will!:)
 
Originally posted by Vonski
"high mileage" oil is a marketing ploy. The one that cracks me up is the "4x4" formulated oils. Don't buy into them...

Synthetic and synth. blends are a waste and not neccesary when changing your oil at correct intervals. Sure, they claim that you can go longer periods between oil changes with the synthetic, but it's still not cost effective.

Mobil 1 is a good oil, no doubt. However, any of the higher grade motor oils would be fine. They are all held to strict industry/government standards, so there are no "huge" differences between them.

My Father owns an oil company, so we end up talking about oil alot. :D
.......you been smoken something...????????gimmie some!!!!!!!!........:D
 

Vonski

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Originally posted by brian
.......you been smoken something...????????gimmie some!!!!!!!!........:D

explain yourself, and be VERY specific about your sources and research. :)

I will give you this... as I look back at my post, it was made in haste and fairly general in nature. However, I'll go into great detail if anyone wants or cares. I am by no means saying that all oils are the same, but many of them are similar enough that it doesn't matter. Mobil 1 and Pennzoil, for example are not in the same catagories of quality.

Bring it. :D
 

bobdog

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Sandy
Originally posted by Vonski


explain yourself, and be VERY specific about your sources and research. :)

I will give you this... as I look back at my post, it was made in haste and fairly general in nature. However, I'll go into great detail if anyone wants or cares. I am by no means saying that all oils are the same, but many of them are similar enough that it doesn't matter. Mobil 1 and Pennzoil, for example are not in the same catagories of quality.

Bring it. :D

I care.
 
Originally posted by Vonski


explain yourself, and be VERY specific about your sources and research. :)

I will give you this... as I look back at my post, it was made in haste and fairly general in nature. However, I'll go into great detail if anyone wants or cares. I am by no means saying that all oils are the same, but many of them are similar enough that it doesn't matter. Mobil 1 and Pennzoil, for example are not in the same catagories of quality.

Bring it. :D
so was my post.....:D .......just tryin to stir you up.....it worked........:D ....I've done no reseach....just speaking from experience......:D
 

bobdog

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Location
Sandy
Originally posted by Vonski


Ya gotta give me more than that... What do ya want to know?

I have read articles that have explained why syn is better. I have also seen articles where syn has made a difference on the dyno. I see cleaner oil when I change the oil in the engines I run it in. If you can convince me I am wasting money then that will save me. Hold youself to the same standard you hold others to though and be VERY specific as to your sources.
 

Vonski

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Location
Payson, Utah
Originally posted by bobdog


I have read articles that have explained why syn is better. I have also seen articles where syn has made a difference on the dyno. I see cleaner oil when I change the oil in the engines I run it in. If you can convince me I am wasting money then that will save me. Hold youself to the same standard you hold others to though and be VERY specific as to your sources.

Sure, I will not argue that a synthetic or synthetic blend is superior to a non-synthetic. I will also not argue that a synthetic will reduce the amount of friction vs. a conventional oil for a longer period of time.

However, if you use a good quality conventional oil and change it within it's recommended intervals (getting rid of it before it's point of becoming less effective and not providing the protection needed), you have achieved your desired goal.

Running a synthetic in tcases, diffs., etc. can be a good thing simply because most people don't change it often if not ever. :(
(don't ask me why...),

I guess the point I'm trying to make is this: The advantages in running a synthetic or synthetic blend is a real thing, but these advantages are so small in comparison to overall vehicle maintenance and repair, that the typical vehicle owner will never see the benefits long term.

My sources/experience comes form the following:

Phillips 66/Conoco sales rep. training 1993/1994
Phillips 66 Distributor's meetings (annually since my involvement in 1990)
Precision Tune National Training Seminars for Management (2001/2002)

I do not have any literature on this, but then again, this was the stuff that you DON'T talk about when you're expected to sell it to the mass public. :)
I will say that if I had a nice, high performance car or truck, and I wanted to do everything I could to care for that vehicle and cost is not an issue, I'd run a synthetic blend. If anything, it would make me feel good and it doesn't hurt.

By running these oils, I'm not insinuating that you are throwing your money away. There are benefits as I've mentioned, but will they outweight the cost long term? Thats for you to decide for yourself. I feel it is no, but thats my opinion. Also, the chances of a vehicle developing a terminal failure unrelated to lubricants is a factor that comes into play as well. People will have to wonder or decide if their vehicle will still be owned or even functioning when the long term benefits of a synthetic are realized.

It's not really important anyway, I'm just a punk who was raised by an oil guy and worked in the industry here and there.

If you want REAL data, take samples to Wheeler Machinery and have different oils anylized. You'll get as much info on your oil as you can handle. :D
 

Vonski

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Location
Payson, Utah
I forgot all about the High Mileage stuff. It's generally thicker, making your junk less likely to get past the piston rings and burn off or leak out onto the ground.

The 4x4 oil is just marketing genius at work. It does have a slightly different formula that is supposed to handle more heat. Then again, the oils with "turbo" or "super" on the label usually claim the same thing, and are cheaper.

Damn, chattin'n about oil reminds me of dinner at the folks house. :D
 
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pokeyYJ

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Damn Vonski! It must have taken along time to make that all up!;) ;) Just Kidding!

What about the synthetic properties that allow it to handle higher opperating temperatures? Would it be benificial to run synth motor oil in motors that run at higher temps and have tighter tolerances? I am pretty sure that BMW requires synth in all of their motors, but they also recommend something like 10K oil change intervals. Toyota also runs synth in their car V-6's and recommends 7500 oil change intervals. I also think that Land Rover uses synthetic in all of their vehicles, the new Range Rover for sure uses synthetic.

Is there something to using synthetic in new motors?
 

Vonski

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Payson, Utah
Originally posted by pokeyYJ
Damn Vonski! It must have taken along time to make that all up!;) ;) Just Kidding!

What about the synthetic properties that allow it to handle higher opperating temperatures? Would it be benificial to run synth motor oil in motors that run at higher temps and have tighter tolerances? I am pretty sure that BMW requires synth in all of their motors, but they also recommend something like 10K oil change intervals. Toyota also runs synth in their car V-6's and recommends 7500 oil change intervals. I also think that Land Rover uses synthetic in all of their vehicles, the new Range Rover for sure uses synthetic.

Is there something to using synthetic in new motors?

Ya know, this is good for tech and I'm glad it was brought up. You also have some excellent questions. However, I'm gonna take the easy way out and just tell everyone to go by the OEM recommendations or decide for themselves. Otherwise, this could turn into a long, drawn out thread that leads nowhere. Most people have already made their decision and are set in their ways anyway. Plus, my intention wasn't to change anyone's mind, just share what I have learned and move on.

There are many automakers that will void some warranty situations if not running their oil of choice, so there is a good reason to do so. Whether it is required or recommended, I guess thats the question.

Sure, synthetics generally handle higher operating temps better, but is your engine gonna run at a temp that a regular oil cannot handle?

I now return you to your regular program...:D
 
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