I'm torn on this one...

[djgardner]

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=29...involved-in-blm-cattle-dispute&s_cid=queue-20

 

[skiboarder]

I agree, not sure what to think. But the rancher was in the wrong. If he had dotted all the Is, and crossed had s Ts. Then if this still happened, there would be reason for major concern.

 

[djgardner]

Yup, I agree with his point...but I think he's going about making it the wrong way (boarder line dechristopher).

Having said that, the government is doing it wrong as well.

But reading more info...the ranchers family has had the lease on that land since the 1860's or 70's...made lots if improvements to the land out of their own pocket. Then the government decided thy could manage it better than him and tried to buy out his leases...he wouldn't sell...then they used the Endangered Species Act (desert tortoise) to kick him off. That ticked him off...he claims that is unconstitutional (thinks the land belongs to the state) and rather than fight it out in court...he just keep a using the land, tries to pay his grazing fees to the state and/or county (they won't take them)...a couple decades go by...and now the Feds are taking action.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[anderson750]

It is safe to say that both parties are right & wrong in this case. This is from another forum from a friend of mine who knows some of the extended

Shiree Bundy Cox
I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the servival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repaires and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card. You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America. Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.
Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him. Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are?
Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks