#KeepsTakingMoney - 2002 KTM 200 EXC

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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I dragged this thing home the other day, came up for sale locally (kinda.... Crested Butte, 2.5 hrs away) for a decent price and ended up getting it for pretty cheap ($600) after the owner said that the suspension F & R needed serious attention, as well as several other things. It's a 2002 KTM 200 EXC with a 6 speed transmission. Apparently the PO owned it for awhile, then sold it and the new owners let it sit for 3-4 years not getting ridden. He bought it back, but time and all the leaks hadn't helped it's condition.

It idles real high, leaks gas at the petcock BAD, leaks brake fluid out of the rear line/fitting, the clutch slave cyl leaks, the fork seals are totally blown out, as are the rear shocks seals. The plastics were pretty beatup and faded, the tires are pretty shot, etc. It does fire up pretty easily though, seems to have decent power although the PO had no idea when the top-end was last done. It does have some nice aftermarket parts, Works Connection frame guards, ProCircut Platinum 2 pipe with ProCircut silencer and spark arrestor, aluminum pipe guard, aluminum skid plate, MSR rear brake guard/fin, bar risers and ProTaper Pastrana bars with newer ProTaper Pillow Top grips, case guard over the slave cyl., a Twin Air air filter, running Engine Ice and a bunch of extra parts like new fork seals & bushings, replacement silencer packing, extra fluids, etc, etc.

I bought this on a whim, don't really need a dirt bike (still have a shoulder injury that causes me pain) and I'm not totally sure what I'm going to do with it.... fix & flip it (I think it could be worth $2000-2500 all fixed up??) or hang onto it as a cheap technical trails & desert bike. I would love an FMF Fatty pipe and a Rekluse clutch, but both those items are big money for this bike. I'm going to try to keep this project cheap, since I'm not sure if it'll work for me and my needs. I'm worried about a 200's power and my 235# weight. If I decided to keep it around, it would be awesome to have Eric Gorr work his magic on some porting work and possibly a big bore kit, but I'm not sure how much bigger you can make the 200... I understand it's already a bored out 125.


My plans for now are to fix the fork seals & bushings, either fix or replace the rear shock and hopefully upgrade the springs for a heavier rider (if needed), repack the silencer, clean out the carb and get the idle back to where it should be, possibly new chain & sprockets with a gear change (currently running 14 x 48 gearing, seems high??), probably add a heavy flywheel weight to give the 200 a more mild power delivery and better bottom end torque.... I hear these are pretty pipey and a quick ride around my house seems to agree. I'm hoping a FWW will mellow out the ProCircut pipes higher power range. It could use some hand guards and possibly a new seat cover, too.

Here's how it picked it up...

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First thing I did was haul the bike to the car wash and hit it hard with degreaser and lots of hot, soapy water. Once home and in the shop, I hit the faded and scratched plastics with the heat gun, then gave them a light coat of WD-40 and they looks much better! Also worked on polishing the pipe, silencer, swing arm and other misc parts.

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And as it now sits...

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I don't expect this to be near the bike my '08 KTM 300 XC was, I realize the technology just wasn't the same back in 2002 and this is a different bike. If I'm lucky, I can flip this one and be able to buy Cheston's 300! :greg:
 

rholbrook

Well-Known Member
Location
Kaysville, Ut
I think you will be surprised with this bike. It has plenty of poop to haul your ass around. Harrisons hauls my ass around just fine. Its light and nimble and a whole lot of fun to ride. I dont think you will need a flywheel weight.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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I think you will be surprised with this bike. It has plenty of poop to haul your ass around. Harrisons hauls my ass around just fine. Its light and nimble and a whole lot of fun to ride. I dont think you will need a flywheel weight.

My concern is that I'm used to my old 300, but I do hope that I'm pleasantly surprised by the 200! I just don't want a hard-hitting, pipey 2-stroke... I liked the lazy power that the 300 had, at least until I put the SX head on it. :rofl:
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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Anyone have input on what size/weight springs I should run, for my weight? I'm probably close to 250#'s geared up.

I used the RaceTech spring calculator and here's what they said... based on this information;

Riding Type: Desert
Age: 30-44 Years Old
Skill Level: Intermediate/B Class
Height: Standard Height
Gas Tank: Standard Gas Tank

FRONT FORK SPRINGS
Recommended Fork Spring Rate: 0.440 kg/mm (use closest available)
Stock Fork Spring Rate: 0.38 kg/mm (stock)

REAR SHOCK SPRINGS
Recommended Spring Rate: P30 (use closest available)
Stock Spring Rate: (stock)


http://www.racetech.com/ProductSearch/1/KTM/200 EXC/2002

Looks like front springs (FRSP 395148 38.2x512mm .48kg) from them run $129 and a rear spring would be (RT SHK SPR 63x260 PDS P30) $164. I'll see what I can find used... ;)

*edit*

Found front springs on Amazon for $115 ( https://www.amazon.com/Race-Tech-Fo...F8&qid=1491700258&sr=8-1&keywords=FRSP+395148 ) and a rear spring ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006LCCNH...UTF8&colid=3JXQPR4N3OKE6&coliid=IDK0QO6JXZ492 ) for $125.
 

anderson750

I'm working on it Rose
Location
Price, Utah
I have been suprised that I have not sold the '03 200MXC I have for sale on KSL for $2500 has not had much interest. I know it is listed high but thought I would 1st least get some offers in the $2000 range. I have had a few people want to trade for a 4 wheeler but no serious lookers.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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I have been suprised that I have not sold the '03 200MXC I have for sale on KSL for $2500 has not had much interest. I know it is listed high but thought I would 1st least get some offers in the $2000 range. I have had a few people want to trade for a 4 wheeler but no serious lookers.

Interesting... I was thinking $2500 would be the very high range for this thing, $2000 seems more reasonable... so I'd think you're in the right price range. Strange that you haven't had any real buyers.
 

rholbrook

Well-Known Member
Location
Kaysville, Ut
I should and give you a 10% commission that has to go towards Harrison's riding/parts fund.
Not interested in the commission. It's Harrison's mountain bike racing that is getting expensive. We will be going from New Mexico, Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana and Canada all by the end of July. I'm preaching to the choir with you though.
 

Gravy

Ant Anstead of Dirtbikes
Supporting Member
I liked Grant/ Harrison's 200. Way fun bike. Didn't have to ride it on the pipe as much like a 125.

Also try Maxima SC-1 on the plastics. The stuff is magic!
And it smells really good.
 
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Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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I liked Grant/ Harrison's 200. Way fun bike. Didn't have to ride it on the pipe as much like a 125.

Also try Maxima SC-1 on the plastics. The stuff is magic!
And it smells really good.

I took it on a short rip around my yard and was pretty impressed with the power, even the seat height and size of the bike don't make me feel like I'm dwarfing it.... like my '08 KTM 250 XCF-W did. I think with a flywheel weight this will be an awesome technical-trails bike.

These plastics look pretty damn decent, but I am missing a number plate on one side. I can by a pair of number plates for $40 or a whole set of plastics for $95.... :rolleyes:


Jealous. Looks like a fun project! :cool:

Its been fun so far, it's torn down now and the carb is soaking for a cleaning.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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So I just found a chassis, with rear shock and swingarm plus a front wheel and tire from an '08 KTM 250... the guy wants $200. I'm considering picking it up and swapping the '02 200 engine into it, but I'm not sure if it's worth all the work. I'd still need to buy forks and a rear wheel/hub (unless the '02 would work?) for it, plus a new tank (it's missing on the '08) and whatever else won't swap over from the 200...

I'd gain a stiffer/better frame and improved suspension, after a lot of work. If I did all this, obviously I'd keep the bike around. Any thoughts?
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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I'd buy it to have the option but ride the 200 the way it is for a while before deciding.

Sounds like a fun bike!

I think that's smart, the 200 runs and could be ridden as-is... I'll just work on getting it back to where it's all fixed & reliable.

I don't think it'll be as fun as your little trials/moto bike, but it'll do... for now. ;)
 

Gravy

Ant Anstead of Dirtbikes
Supporting Member
I'd rock the 200 as is too, maybe slap in some fork and shock springs and up the fork oil viscosity for big dude friendliness.

FYI That SC-1 puts moisture back into plastics, no polishing needed, just spray it on.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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I'd rock the 200 as is too, maybe slap in some fork and shock springs and up the fork oil viscosity for big dude friendliness.

FYI That SC-1 puts moisture back into plastics, no polishing needed, just spray it on.

:thumbs:

I may pick up some of that SC-1, these plastics as they are look much better than the pics show... but I still need a new side plate.
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
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Started the tear-down & cleaning and ordered a handful of parts from RMATV. The brake pads had both been soaked in various fluids, so I picked up a fresh set for front & back. Also added a couple extra spark plugs and picked up 2 quarts of Amsoil SABER 2 stroke oil. I also picked up a counter sprocket that will drop one tooth in the front, not sure if this is needed but for the very short ride I took, 1st gear seemed too high.

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I pulled off all the plastics, forks & rear shock, exhaust, etc, etc. Trying not to strip it any further than it is now...

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I decided to go ahead and re-spring the bike for my weight (means I'll be keeping it around?) so I also ordered those fork springs I linked to earlier. Once I get those springs, I have my bushing & seal kit so I'll take my forks to a local shop and have the forks gone thru and repaired. I found that the rear-lower shock bushing was shot, so that will get replaced, too.

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I also picked up a JD Jetting kit for the bike, I've had good success with the James Dean Jetting parts in the past and this bike has been living at 9,000 feet for years so I'm sure it's rich as is. The carb got a good soaking in my PineSol carb cleaning mixture and after some light work with a brush, began putting it back together with the new JD parts.

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I noticed that my reeds were beat up pretty bad so I also ordered a replacement Boysen reed set and installed them.

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The intake boot is pretty weathered/cracked and I'm worried about an air leak, causing a lean condition so I need to replace it. Inside there are no cracks, but I think it's cheap insurance to just get a new or better one.

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The exhaust got a good cleaning & polishing and then repacked the silencer with the supplied Moose material. Also tossed on a new set of O-rings at the cylinder, as it had been dribbling...

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