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Gas versus Diesel trucks


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Chevycrew

Well-Known Member
Location
WVC, UT
Think of the looks with my crew cab on 46's pulling a 23' flatdeck, with toyota crawler on board...

I have plenty of power for towing, my mileage is down slightly from stock though.

99 crew chevy 7.4L 4l80e, but its all gears. 3000rpms @ 85

12 empty @ 65, 10 empty @ 85, 8 pulling 7k @ 65, 6 pulling 7k @ 85
 

Zombie

Random Dead Guy
Location
Sandy Utah
My experience will be tainted by wheelbase, but here it goes.
96 GMC Yukon 4 door, 5.7 Vortec, intake, exhaust headers, flash. Towed a 7k travel trailer with a equalizer hitch.
I thought it did really well, Drove it once without the equalizer, and swore I'd never tow without an equalizer again. That was flat out scary. With the bars set for the hitch, it did well. It got close to 20mpg highway unloaded, and 10 pulling.

98 Dodge Cummins 12 valve X cab short bed. Full Banks hooplah under the hood, MBRP exhaust, suncoast trans, 33" tires. Leveling kit and airbags (Since someone always asks, it's not a quad cab, it's a 2 door X cab with a shortbed, and yes it came that way). Tows a 14' bubbas 7K GVW trailer with my fat ass ZJ on it, My fat ass Mercedes on occasion, and other random crap. I figure my ZJ and the trailer are probably 6500-7000. I do not use an equalizer with the dodge.
It tows like a dream. No sway, tolerant of stange trailer loading, and feels much more solid thanks to it's weight and length. Power wise it's dream. It gets 20 mpg for my dad with close to 1000 pounds of tolls and random handyman crap for his business in the bed, gets 18mpg pulling my jeep to moab. Those are OD and calculator numbers.

I love driving the dodge, and towing with it. I love the economy when towing. The only things I don't like are the higher cost of fuel (DUH), it's a huge ass boat to park, (I know someone with a CC longbed will tell me to shut up), it's harder to get the kids in the back than it would be if it had doors, and the back seat is less than comfy for grownups.

Prior to this truck, my dad had a chevy 1/2 ton longbed with a TBI350 and a manual. We did a full exhaust, intake and ignition, and it got 14 mpg all the time hauling around his tools. He also sagged the rear springs so severely we replaced them before selling it. He NEEDS a 3/4 ton for what he does. Given his fuel economy with his gas truck, he is still saving money on fuel with the cummins economy. We bought the truck from a friend, knowing the history and how it had been cared for, and it has proven to be a great truck. It makes vegas without stopping for fuel, rides nice, and has more than enough power to get the job done.
For my purposes I wish it had more cab space and was easier to get my boys in the back. I'd absolutely love to drop it at Ben Hanks or Kindig-it one of these days and pick it up in "Ramburban" form, but that will require my dad to retire from his retirement job, and me to have a whole bunch of money. Time will tell what happens to it long term, but I really don't think I'll go back to gas towing, especially not SWB gas towing.
 

The Stranger

Stranger Danger
Location
Draper Utah
I pulled a 43' gooseneck with 2 Toyotas on it down to Saint George with a 07 Mega Cab Cummins 1 ton and averaged 17 MPG there and back with the cruise set at 70-80 mph most of the time. I have a 99 Cummins with 190k on it and the only problem I have had is the track bar.
 

gijohn40

too poor to wheel... :(
Location
Layton, Utah
I have a 98 expedition that I put 456 gears in and 35" tires on and pulled a 34 foot travel trailer fully loaded over to elko Nevada and back and averaged 12 mpg the whole trip... this with a gasser 5.4l and 165000 miles on it... it now has 215000 and still runs fine.... it has had problems with the oxygen sensors.. I have replaced all 4 of them 3 times now and they need to be replaced again.

Only troubles I have had was recently broke the back two exhaust manifold bolts on the drivers side (known ford problem) and one of the 4 cats....

Don't like having to replace the spark plugs seeing it has the coils on the plug...

but I like it and its paid for....
 

Cody

Random Quote Generator
Supporting Member
Location
Gastown
The most reliable vehicle I have ever owned was my 99 CTD 2500. I bought it with 120k on the ticker, drove it for 2.5 years and sold it with about 180k on it. I did put a tranny in it (but I knew that when I bought it), but other than that the only problem I ever had to fix was the starter, which I rebuilt for about $40.

I would drive that truck from here to New York in a heartbeat. I also enjoyed the 22-24 mpg unloaded freeway mileage, and the 17+ MPG towing my ~6000# trailer. the truck was stock and had plenty of power for me. I loved that truck, but couldn't justify the payment and the fuel costs once I sold my buggy.

My dad borrowed it once to go rescue his camp trailer in Wyoming (his Tahoe had tranny problems on the way home) and said the diesel pulled the trailer much better than the Tahoe, and noticably stronger than my brothers Dodge 2500 with a Hemi.
 

benjy

Rarely wrenches
Supporting Member
Location
Moab
Sure, you will pay a little more at the pump, but get better mileage. With the ability to buy a diesel truck today for the price that a gasoline powered truck was just a year ago, why not???

Maybe I need to shop around a little more, but the up front cost of gas v. diesel is HUGE, and is honestly my biggest concern... Specifically we're looking at chev/gmc (Kami's preferred flavor). Quad cab would be nice, but not necessary. <100k miles (for both diesel and gas we've been looking at), and made this century.

So... with those numbers, the range for diesel is $17-26k, and gas is around $9-13k. That difference in payment would directly affect our budgeted "fun money." And let's be honest here, if having a 6.0L means I get to where we're going 30 minutes slower, but we actually wheel 10x per year instead of 2-3x per year, I'll take the gasser.
 

Vonski

nothing to see here...
Location
Payson, Utah
Maybe I need to shop around a little more, but the up front cost of gas v. diesel is HUGE, and is honestly my biggest concern... Specifically we're looking at chev/gmc (Kami's preferred flavor). Quad cab would be nice, but not necessary. <100k miles (for both diesel and gas we've been looking at), and made this century.

So... with those numbers, the range for diesel is $17-26k, and gas is around $9-13k. That difference in payment would directly affect our budgeted "fun money." And let's be honest here, if having a 6.0L means I get to where we're going 30 minutes slower, but we actually wheel 10x per year instead of 2-3x per year, I'll take the gasser.

Keep looking. You should be able to find a nice used Duramax from some "desperate to sell" individual for less than $17k.
 
Keep looking. You should be able to find a nice used Duramax from some "desperate to sell" individual for less than $17k.

Absolutely! I found a 4 door 7.3 Powerstroke in Lehi for $13,000. No idea the miles, but it was very nicely modified and the 7.3 is a kick ass engine.

Since you're not in a huge hurry, you have time to really search out that killer deal. Another option is ebay. We bought MaKenzie off of ebay and I paid a touch less than blue book for a truck with only 58,000 miles and all her pretty modifications.
 

Cody

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Supporting Member
Location
Gastown
I paid $13k for my 99 CTD in 2004. Ran like a top and I sold it for $13,500 2.5 years later

It had been owned by a contractor, but once I added bed liner, and cleaned the interior really really well, it was a pretty straight truck.
 

78mitsu

Registered User
My Dmax gets 21 mpg fwy, and 18 pulling. I've put in a turbo at 145k with adjustable waste gate and independent controller, and a custom fuel map. Dynos at 920lb' to the ground turned all the way up (42 lbs boost), and a little exhaust work.

I had a tuned up 5.3 with headers/dual exhaust power tuned got 18-19 mpg on the freeway and 12 pulling. After going to a diesel I'll never go back to a gasser. payed $17k w 108kMiles 4 yrs old for the diesel, paid 25.5k for the gasser with 6,000 miles 8 months old.
 
Done both (actually several gassers and 1 deez)

'99 454 burb vs '02 7.3 Excursion: Excursion wins. Even with the high fuel costs last year, the better mileage from the X about evened out the higher price of diesel. I've spent lots of money on repairs for both vehicles.

The diesel gets better mileage towing or not towing. I don't necessarily tow faster (even though I can)...but it gets the load moving easier. And the 454 was no slouch. Oh ya, and I echo the "passing" comments. Passing (where safe) is SOOO much fun. So is driving from Draper to SoCal on one tank.

Having done both, I will probably never own another truck that isn't diesel. Though I might...if it meets my needs.

I wouldn't tow anything over 5000 lbs with anything less than a 3/4ton...gas or diesel.

Gas will work, I prefer diesel. Having done both. :D
 
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JackKeslerCustoms

Active Member
Location
Herriman
I love mine. 01 F350 V10. I put a 6" lift and 38's on about a year and a half ago, not sure if it's worth it, but it didn't make it any less comfortable to drive. And it's paid for, so I'd hate to have a payment again. Oh, and on short notice in a pinch, it will take me and my girls up RS.
 

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Our friends have a pretty nice, very paid for '99 F250 crew cab V10 auto that they bought for cheap, have driven for years, tows pretty decent, and sits most of the time. I drive it from time to time and it's a little weird to sit in basically the same truck as mine ('02 excursion) but have a gas motor...and the different gas performance. I would own that truck in a second. Plus, it's red!:D
 

GOAT

Back from the beyond
Location
Roanoke, VA
My philosophy has always been to buy a cheap gas towrig for cash (or any car for that matter). Use the money left over to build something that wheels the way I want, and also maintain a quality of life that doesn't revolve around credit.

If I wanted to buy something fast, it wouldn't be a pickup. They are not fast.
 

GOAT

Back from the beyond
Location
Roanoke, VA
You must be kidding, many of these diesels are dang fast, some way faster than most sports cars. Those duramaxs are really fast.

I guess it's all subjective. Yes, a 3/4 ton pickup that can run to sixty in 7-8 seconds out of the box is impressive considering where diesels were a decade ago.

After owning and driving what I consider fast cars, I couldn't expect a truck to provide that same excitement.

In the end, it's still a pickup. Having 450HP and 900TQ doesn't matter when you have to turn, stop or park it. I never saw the logic in hauling ass around and trough traffic with a trailer on the back of my truck. Just seems dangerous to me. There is no worse feeling than someone pulling out in front of you when there's 15k hooked to your rig.

On a side note. It seems that the hardcore diesel fanatics have taken over for the ricers. They share the same mentality. Giant fart tip exhaust, loud, and trying to make something fast that is not and then trying to prove how fast it is to the rest of the world at every opportunity. You know who you are:p

Funny when they spray soot out the back screaming from a light, only 5-10% motorists think wow, what an impressive truck! The rest think, what's wrong with that dork.
 

sixb

Will work for beer!
Location
West Jordan, UT
I guess it's all subjective. Yes, a 3/4 ton pickup that can run to sixty in 7-8 seconds out of the box is impressive considering where diesels were a decade ago.

After owning and driving what I consider fast cars, I couldn't expect a truck to provide that same excitement.

In the end, it's still a pickup. Having 450HP and 900TQ doesn't matter when you have to turn, stop or park it. I never saw the logic in hauling ass around and trough traffic with a trailer on the back of my truck. Just seems dangerous to me. There is no worse feeling than someone pulling out in front of you when there's 15k hooked to your rig.

On a side note. It seems that the hardcore diesel fanatics have taken over for the ricers. They share the same mentality. Giant fart tip exhaust, loud, and trying to make something fast that is not and then trying to prove how fast it is to the rest of the world at every opportunity. You know who you are:p

Funny when they spray soot out the back screaming from a light, only 5-10% motorists think wow, what an impressive truck! The rest think, what's wrong with that dork.

I agree with you on every point but are you sure your from Texas :D
 
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