Line lock

[SAMI]

Who has a line on a line lock for under $50ish? I'm not familiar with who to buy this item from. This is for my '06 Xterra, as i'm removing the lever on the floor for an upcoming upgrade.

Let me know

Thanks

-Jason

 

[Caleb]

I *think* summit sells a Jamar for around $30. I think that one always gets mentioned as the least expensive.

EDIT: here it is on Poly Performance's site...couldn't find it on Summit's site.

 

[BCGPER]

Yes, Jamar. I used one on my buggy, and they work ok. I think I gave around $19 for it, but it's been a couple years. Ebay is where I found it.

You do know, that a line lock won't pass safety inspection though, right?

 

[Greg]

I would never use a line-lock as a parking brake, they bleed off over time and your brake will be gone. Line locks are meant for drag racing, locking up the front wheels for a matter of seconds while the car can do a burnout. They were never intended to hold the whole load of a vehicle as a parking brake.

 

[Arm&Leg Yotas]

I have been researching line locks for my vehicle too. Im going to get the Swagelok B-42F2. ITs about $30 and people swear by them. Its a valve that you turn to close and ive heard it will hold for weeks before bleeding off. Not saying you should rely on it for more than a temporary thing though.
http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_partnumbers_results.aspx?PS=B-42F2&PG=0&RPR=5

 

[Corban_White]

Swagelok is a high quality valve used very often in industrial applications.

 

[SAMI]

You do know, that a line lock won't pass safety inspection though, right?

This was one of my main questions about it. Are you absolutely sure that it won't pass as an e-brake?

I would never use a line-lock as a parking brake, they bleed off over time and your brake will be gone. Line locks are meant for drag racing, locking up the front wheels for a matter of seconds while the car can do a burnout. They were never intended to hold the whole load of a vehicle as a parking brake.

My only intention for the line lock is to atleast have something? I never use the parking brake on an automatic vehicle.. I never used it on my '99 4runner, i've never used it in the X. Again, the line lock would only be there to have atleast something in the way of some type of parking brake for safety ~ if it's allowed..

I have been researching line locks for my vehicle too. Im going to get the Swagelok B-42F2. ITs about $30 and people swear by them. Its a valve that you turn to close and ive heard it will hold for weeks before bleeding off. Not saying you should rely on it for more than a temporary thing though.
http://www.swagelok.com/search/find_partnumbers_results.aspx?PS=B-42F2&PG=0&RPR=5

I'm curious what vehicle you are putting the valve in? Are you leaving the OE parking brake system? Or are you thinking of removing it like me? Will your rig see road, or is it a dedicated trail rig?

My big 2 questions are; how bad will a line lock mess with my warranty, and will it pass Utah's safety?

 

[lewis]

I asked my inspector and he just said I need to have a way to hold the vehicle as a parking brake. He could be wrong but he is kind of strict when it comes to inspection. I had one on my scout and it would hold the truck until the battery died and I was using a yellow top so it took days.

 

[SAMI]

I asked my inspector and he just said I need to have a way to hold the vehicle as a parking brake. He could be wrong but he is kind of strict when it comes to inspection. I had one on my scout and it would hold the truck until the battery died and I was using a yellow top so it took days.

That's the kind of thing that I like to hear. This is my thought as well.. That as long as you have a device to hold the vehicle, you're good to go.

 

[Corban_White]

Just a quick scan of the inspection manual and this is all I could find about the parking brake:

PARKING BRAKE​

[FONT=Arial,Arial]

1. Check holding ability.
a.​

[/FONT]REJECT [FONT=Arial,Arial]when:
1) Parking brake does not operate or fails to hold vehicle.
2. Check ratchet or the locking device.
a. [/FONT]REJECT [FONT=Arial,Arial]when: ​

1) Ratchet, pawl or other locking device fails to hold brake in an applied position.

[/FONT]From that it looks like a line lock should pass? (as long as you can find a way to make the idiot light come on I mean as it will fail if not. A pressure switch should work but it would require some plumbing and wiring and who knows what if the light is controlled by the computer. The switches are pretty common on older vehicles as a way of activating the brake lights.)


source: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/docs/X2009-2010%20SI%20PLT%20ManuaL.pdf

 

[SAMI]

Keeping the lever on the floor is doable, I was just hoping to avoid it.. What i've got planned should be able to retain the lever... It'd just be cleaner to get rid of it.

hhmmm...

 

[cruiseroutfit]

41-6a-1623. Braking systems required -- Adoption of performance requirements by department.
(1) A motor vehicle and a combination of vehicles shall have a service braking system which will stop the motor vehicle or combination of vehicles within:
(a) 40 feet from an initial speed of 20 miles per hour on a level, dry, smooth, hard surface; or
(b) a shorter distance as may be specified by the department in accordance with federal standards.
(2) A motor vehicle and a combination of vehicles shall have a parking brake system:
(a) adequate to hold the motor vehicle or combination of vehicles on any grade on which it is operated under all conditions of loading on a surface free from snow, ice or loose material; or
(b) which complies with performance standards issued by the department in accordance with federal standards.
(3) In addition to the requirements of Subsections (1) and (2), if necessary for safe operation, the department may by rule require additional braking systems in accordance with federal standards.

I guess it comes down to the definition of 'system', do they have to be separate. You'll see the state law defers to federal standards, which I can almost guarantee require them to be completely separate standalone systems to create redundancy.

Federal Park Brake Standard:
S5.2 Parking Brake System. Each vehicle shall be manufactured with a parking brake system of a friction type with a solely mechanical means to retain engagement, which shall under the conditions of S6, when tested according to the procedures specified in S7, meet the requirements specified in S5.2.1, S5.2.2, or S5.2.3 as appropriate, with the system engaged-

 

[Panos]

41-6a-1623. Braking systems required -- Adoption of performance requirements by department.
(1) A motor vehicle and a combination of vehicles shall have a service braking system which will stop the motor vehicle or combination of vehicles within:
(a) 40 feet from an initial speed of 20 miles per hour on a level, dry, smooth, hard surface; or
(b) a shorter distance as may be specified by the department in accordance with federal standards.
(2) A motor vehicle and a combination of vehicles shall have a parking brake system:
(a) adequate to hold the motor vehicle or combination of vehicles on any grade on which it is operated under all conditions of loading on a surface free from snow, ice or loose material; or
(b) which complies with performance standards issued by the department in accordance with federal standards.
(3) In addition to the requirements of Subsections (1) and (2), if necessary for safe operation, the department may by rule require additional braking systems in accordance with federal standards.

I guess it comes down to the definition of 'system', do they have to be separate. You'll see the state law defers to federal standards, which I can almost guarantee require them to be completely separate standalone systems to create redundancy.

Federal Park Brake Standard:
S5.2 Parking Brake System. Each vehicle shall be manufactured with a parking brake system of a friction type with a solely mechanical means to retain engagement, which shall under the conditions of S6, when tested according to the procedures specified in S7, meet the requirements specified in S5.2.1, S5.2.2, or S5.2.3 as appropriate, with the system engaged-

no one checks that ****! you will be fine goats, come on in this week and let do this !

 

[cruiseroutfit]

no one checks that ****! you will be fine goats, come on in this week and let do this !

I watch inspection shops do the skid tests all the time? And I've absolutely had them pull my park brake to check for compliance?

Not saying you can't get away with it, in fact find a shop that doesn't have the skid check (measures lining) and they likely won't even know. However there is a very clear reason why dual and separate systems should be incorporated if possible. Loose fluid, a caliper or a master cylinder, etc... and you've lost your park/emergency brake too.

 

[JL Rockies]

Back in the day when I used to customize vehicles for a living, we would put electric linear actuators on the cable when we built custom consoles (and eliminated the handle). It worked great and we would even hook up a micro-switch to the dash brake light. In FL, we had no inspections however.

 

[Corban_White]

So, looks like we have determined that it should pass inspection but it is not legal.