well no matter what, i think we should all try to do our part to clean that place up, its not that bad, but its not that good either, we should all try a little harder to keep it nice, every time i go there, theres beer cans in and around the fire pits and there will be peoples garbage hanging from trees, one time i found two tvs there that people brought to shoot at and then just left them there, there isnt anything wrong with having partys there or having a good time (a rave is a bit out of hand) but lets just clean up a bit, do the boy scout thing(dont burn it down) leave it cleaner than when you came, sounds lame but itll work