Next up: probably straws. 
http://moabtimes.com/view/full_stor...tic-to-be-banned-?instance=home_news_1st_left
http://moabtimes.com/view/full_stor...tic-to-be-banned-?instance=home_news_1st_left
Moab bans plastic bags
- Thread starter Herzog
- Start date
Spork
Tin Foil Hat Equipped
- Location
- Saratoga Springs, UT
Too many sea critters choking on the plastic bags... in Moab.
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
The thin plastic bags used by most retailers are not recyclable. Thicker bags are, and those are allowed under the law.Too many sea critters choking on the plastic bags... in Moab.
I see no problem with the law. I visit many places that have imposed the same law. Some have switched to thicker plastic bags while others have switched to paper.
ttora4runner
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Colorado Springs, Again
California charges you 10 cents for a plastic bag if you don't bring your own bag.
glockman
I hate Jeep trucks
- Location
- Pleasant Grove
I see no issues with a town deciding to ban something if it was put to a vote by the citizens of that town. I haven't looked into how this law came about in Moab. I am with Herzog though, I hate statewide or nationwide bans imposed to force us to make better choices. Failure is part of freedom. I realize I pay the price for that by seeing trash all over from stupid free people. It's worth the price to me.
Noahfecks
El Destructo!
- Location
- Glenwoody Springs, CO
Whats the difference between Michael Jackson and a plastic bag?
On is white, plastic, and dangerous to children, you use the other to carry your groceries in.
On is white, plastic, and dangerous to children, you use the other to carry your groceries in.
Remember when plastic bags came out to help save the trees that are cut down to make paper bags?
I must have miracle dirt at my house, because I hear that plastic isn’t biodegradable and will last hundreds of years.. yet the plastic sheets I put down for a weed barrier a few years ago are like a fish net now.
We are going to find out in 20 years that the reusable shopping bags are made from materials that affect the mating habits of the purple horned lizard fish, and they will be banned also.
I must have miracle dirt at my house, because I hear that plastic isn’t biodegradable and will last hundreds of years.. yet the plastic sheets I put down for a weed barrier a few years ago are like a fish net now.
We are going to find out in 20 years that the reusable shopping bags are made from materials that affect the mating habits of the purple horned lizard fish, and they will be banned also.
Just another thought.. how much water is used to wash the new reusable straws in between each use? If the same 2 billion people who use a straw once a day wash their own straw once a day, is that 100,000,000 gallons a day?? That could go a long way in a place like California or Moab.
SnwMnkys
Registered User
- Location
- Orem, Utah
Americans really are spoiled and will complain about the smallest things that inconvenience them in the slightest.
I stopped buying plastic water bottles overseas if I could and carried a hydroflask with me everywhere i went. Plastic litter may not be a problem here, but ive seen the problem first hand in other countries. Especially in coastal cities, a good storm washes tons of plastic up on the shore line.
I stopped buying plastic water bottles overseas if I could and carried a hydroflask with me everywhere i went. Plastic litter may not be a problem here, but ive seen the problem first hand in other countries. Especially in coastal cities, a good storm washes tons of plastic up on the shore line.
- Location
- Never Far From Nowhere
I feel this belongs here:
- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Skylinerider
Wandering the desert
- Location
- Ephraim
It takes 22 gallons of water to make a pound of plastic so you need to take that into account too. I also can't imagine it takes one gallon of water to wash a metal straw.
I am not saying I am for a bunch of extra laws. Just look at the whole picture. People won't change until the have a reason to change. Some will change out of concern for the environment, some will change when it makes sense to them. Most change when it is more inconvenient to stay the same. There has been bins to recycle plastic bags for a long time now, most people don't use them because it is easy to just throw them away. People thought it was crazy when it became illegal to dump oil and coolant down the drain. Stupid government taking away our rights...... I am really far from being what people consider a "greenie" or "tree hugger", but there are some changes that are good. I am as guilty as most people. We have had reusable shopping bags for probably 12 years now. We hardly ever use them because it is easier to use the ones at the store (plus, what we we use for packing material when we ship stuff). I also get about 147 amazon boxes per day
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I've already made the switch to a couple aluminum straws
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"It's only one straw" said 2 billion people, daily
This is awesome! IDK why but I feel compelled to follow your example. I mean why not I usually use 1 or 2 straws a day
BlueWolfFab
Running Behind
- Location
- Eagle Mountain
And as far as the "lawmaking" part of it; it's that enough bad-apples have ruined the bunch. Yeah, not everyone tosses their waste out in an improper manner; but enough people have to make it an issue where the 'government' (the majority of Moab residents, in this case) has had to say that the people that are responsible, aren't doing enough to make up for the people that are irresponsible, and so now no-one gets to"
Unimog
Eric
- Location
- Stansbury Park, UT
I just don't use straws in general. Either way, education is far better than legislation for common sense stuff like this.
BlueWolfFab
Running Behind
- Location
- Eagle Mountain
Even in the package that I just sent @Greg, there is quite a bit of plastic in it in the form of bubble wrap. The contents are steel parts, i.e. they really don't need bubble wrap, but I had it on hand and am needing to get rid of it anyways, and in an "ideal world" it wouldn't be single-use plastic anyways because Greg could use it for protecting any items that he ships to the next person, but I realize that would require him to hold onto that bubble wrap until he ships something which I don't expect him to do ha. But, maybe.
Bonus points though, the USPS box was made with post-consumer recycled cardboard
which I don't expect him to do ha. But, maybe. Bonus points though, the USPS box was made with post-consumer recycled cardboard
- Location
- Stinkwater
I'm becoming more and more conscious of my impact on my surroundings. I've always been "green" in a very vague sort of way, but since I started trying to minimize and streamline I've begun noticing what I'm using and what I'm wasting. I don't think I'm in a position to anything very dramatic, or maybe I'm just scared to take that step, but I'm making a concerted effort to reduce reuse recycle.
I'm also cycling more and driving less, which definitely takes more time out of my day but it isn't time wasted because I need the exercise anyway and besides I like it. So I'm killing three birds with one stone there.
I dunno about laws banning plastic bags. The end result of that is some sort of dystopian Utopia where everybody is "perfect" because we're all forced to be, and that's obviously bad. Ideally enough of us would realize our impact and do enough work voluntarily to minimize it that laws of that sort wouldn't be needed. But lets face it, as a society we're a bunch of lazy f***ers that are going to take the path of least resistance nine times out of ten. And the path of least resistance leads to that garbage patch in the ocean and beer cans and plastic water bottles and shotgun shells littering my desert and mountains. Saturday driving home along the MVC, there was a giant crew of 20-30 folks in orange vests filling giant orange bags with trash from the side of the road, and they had piles and piles of full bags. And that sucks too. We suck, as a society, that we have to do that. And the assholes in our society that do that don't care, and won't care, and you're not going to fix them. You will never bring enough positive incentives to the table to make the lazy jerks care about what's going on around them.
So, laws against plastic bags I guess. Don't blame Moab. Blame the jerks. And maybe we should all doublecheck to make sure we aren't one of them every now and again.
I'm also cycling more and driving less, which definitely takes more time out of my day but it isn't time wasted because I need the exercise anyway and besides I like it. So I'm killing three birds with one stone there.
I dunno about laws banning plastic bags. The end result of that is some sort of dystopian Utopia where everybody is "perfect" because we're all forced to be, and that's obviously bad. Ideally enough of us would realize our impact and do enough work voluntarily to minimize it that laws of that sort wouldn't be needed. But lets face it, as a society we're a bunch of lazy f***ers that are going to take the path of least resistance nine times out of ten. And the path of least resistance leads to that garbage patch in the ocean and beer cans and plastic water bottles and shotgun shells littering my desert and mountains. Saturday driving home along the MVC, there was a giant crew of 20-30 folks in orange vests filling giant orange bags with trash from the side of the road, and they had piles and piles of full bags. And that sucks too. We suck, as a society, that we have to do that. And the assholes in our society that do that don't care, and won't care, and you're not going to fix them. You will never bring enough positive incentives to the table to make the lazy jerks care about what's going on around them.
So, laws against plastic bags I guess. Don't blame Moab. Blame the jerks. And maybe we should all doublecheck to make sure we aren't one of them every now and again.
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