gtidrivr
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- West Jordan
Went down and met some really nice folks! Had a great time and will be back in a week! 
Moab trip...
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sloppyjoe4by
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- North Ogden, UT
Where were the first two pictures taken? The last two are on golden spike, correct?
Adam
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brian
got fro?
- Location
- pagosa springs , colorado
...must have missed you sat on PSM.....I saw your truck on the way out..gtidrivr said:Went down and met some really nice folks! Had a great time and will be back in a week!
gtidrivr
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- West Jordan
Rick B said:
Yes you guys are right. That is exactly where those pics were taken. but you know, there weren't any markings saying "no route" like there were on any other " illegal off trail routes" so I figured it was fair game.
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pokeyYJ
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Just because nobody has posted anything still doesn't make it right.
There are TONS of places down there that don't have marking saying they are off limits, but I was under the impression that we were supposed to stay on existing trails?
There are TONS of places down there that don't have marking saying they are off limits, but I was under the impression that we were supposed to stay on existing trails?
gtidrivr
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- West Jordan
pokeyYJ said:
Your right there are alot of places that dont have any markings that we know better than to do! I.E. speeding on the way down there... driving our rigs all over Moab on the street... and so forth! Next time I go down, I promise I will be on my best behavior and traile my jeep to and from the trail ( which I always do) and stay on trails that aren't being "watched" .
brian
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- pagosa springs , colorado
.......what did you end up doing Fri???.......where's the pics???.......made any plans for CO yet???...
gtidrivr said:Your right there are alot of places that dont have any markings that we know better than to do! I.E. speeding on the way down there... driving our rigs all over Moab on the street... and so forth! Next time I go down, I promise I will be on my best behavior and traile my jeep to and from the trail ( which I always do) and stay on trails that aren't being "watched" .
Me to...............
VANDALL.
gtidrivr
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brian said:.......what did you end up doing Fri???.......where's the pics???.......made any plans for CO yet???...
Plans are the next Rock Race. Memorial Day weekend. Unless its cancelled
shmoesmith
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gtidrivr said:
In all due respect, gtidriver has a very good point...This particular spot on the waterfall is ALWAYS black from people driving up it. When you look at it, you can see clearly that many people drive that way. All other areas of PS that have black marks going where they shouldnt have clearly spray painted "no route" and a line drawn across the black marks..there are places right before the waterfall and right after the waterfall that have these spray paint marks. When they were closing off so called 'alternate' ways up, I would think they would have spray painted that portion of the waterfall since they spraypainted everything infront of it and behind it. It would have been obvious to the trail marks that people drove that way and I think that if they were concerened about that particular spot they would have painted it. If they dont want people driving up it they should put an arrow pointing up the waterfall in the proper directions or paint it the way they have the rest of the trail...as far as staying on the exisiting trails, dont ya think its hard to not consider it (for a newbie anyway)part of the 'exisiting trail' if its got black marks straight up it and thre are no spray marks indicating it is closed(such as the ones you would have seen previously)I think its a tough call. I drove up it in the past b4 i was told it was an illegal route because of the fact that it was black and there were no closure marks..thought it was just another way up the waterfall they let you take.
bobdog said:
that doesn't mean i endorse it. it's the truth. are you gonna be down in moab to monitor every single alternate route, on every trail? i didn't think so. meaning, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. i agree with s-smith, if they wanted it closed off wouldn't they have painted it by now?
the point is, unless it's clearly marked, for whatever the situation might be, how the hell are 'we' as wheeling enthusiasts supposed to know. the key is education. nobody can learn unless informed.
so, no. i don't think the way i feel is messed up.
-Jason
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- Sandy, Ut
Elder SAMI said:
Thats one of the more ignorant comments I have heard in a while...
So your saying the BLM (only a couple full-time rangers) should have to mark every single obstacle, wall, etc.... No FU**IN way! Get real and pass the pipe...
You are more than welcome to call the BLM at their Moab headquarters and ask them about ANY trail in question... better yet, take the extra couple minutes and stop in their office, get a map and be in the know... There are alot of areas in Moab that are "cross-country travel permitted" meaning you can go anywhere without destroying vegitation, etc. But ALOT of Moab is limited to designated trails and routes... Get yourself informed and learn to wipe your own a** at the same time!
Your the type of kid that would sue the government for not having caution signs posted at a hot pot..
Be responsible, don't make others take the responsibility for you!
cruiseroutfit said:Thats one of the more ignorant comments I have heard in a while...
So your saying the BLM (only a couple full-time rangers) should have to mark every single obstacle, wall, etc.... No FU**IN way! Get real and pass the pipe...
You are more than welcome to call the BLM at their Moab headquarters and ask them about ANY trail in question... better yet, take the extra couple minutes and stop in their office, get a map and be in the know... There are alot of areas in Moab that are "cross-country travel permitted" meaning you can go anywhere without destroying vegitation, etc. But ALOT of Moab is limited to designated trails and routes... Get yourself informed and learn to wipe your own a** at the same time!
Your the type of kid that would sue the government for not having caution signs posted at a hot pot..
Be responsible, don't make others take the responsibility for you!
hhhhmmmm, i don't think i said this right... i don't expect the BLM to mark everything... but in a case like this line on PSM, right there for everyone to see, if they wanted it blocked they would mark it so. and no i would sue for something being hot, that's just stupid. you have to admit that alot of people need to be educated though. there are some seriously stupid people.
Elder SAMI said:
qouting myself here.... what i mean by that comment is that people need to be educated. which would include getting maps and doing their part to be educated. i did imply that pretty much everything should be marked...that would be extremely ugly... that's not how i feel, and am not too sure why i wrote what i did that way.
shmoesmith
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cruiseroutfit said: