I agree with you for 99% of trails. I have found that there are some obstacles and trails that dual ultimate comes in handy, rocker knocker, Coyote Canyon, a section of green day and the hammers trails. I mention it for any lurkers in the thread. I think most of the posters already have experience with absurdly low gearing. My biggest complaint with Duals is the drivetrain slop. It's splitting hairs, but next go around will be a slush box instead.I guess I consider duals a form of "t-case gearing". I think either t-case gears or duals should be the first mod after sliders on a yota. To me it's 6's, whether you go with duals or 4.7's; it's the same effect. While an ultimate dual setup is cool to brag about, I only used it about 3 times in my life, and it wasn't necessary. I wouldn't do ultimate duals again.