Need engineering help!

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
I know there are some enginerds around here. I want to build a loft at the back of the shop. It is 5 feet deep, and 25 feet wide. If at all possible I want to build it without any columns in the middle. What kind of beam would I need to support this thing across the front? I made a quick drawing with Google Sketchup to help.

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Is it possible?
 

Hickey

Burn-barrel enthusiast
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I talked to my dad tonight. The loft in our old house was 10' x 20'. The 20' beam was made up of 3 2x10's nailed and glued together. He had a chain arounf all three in the center of the span that he used to hoist engines out of cars. There was a 4"x4" post supporting each end of the beam.
 

Caleb

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what kind of weight? I think the hardest part would be just getting the boards that are 25 feet long. I think if you did like Hickey said you'd be just fine. You can get the engineered beams but I think that would be overkill for something like this.
 

78mitsu

Registered User
Do you know what your floor load is going to be? Making it out of wood or metal?
 
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BlackSheep

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As previously mentioned, the load on the loft is what will tell you how big your beam needs to be. It is a bit of a complex problem, as you will have support from the 3 walls and the load will be distributed across the floor. The next part of the problem is what material you want to use. As previously mentioned, steel and engineered beams would require less cross sectional area than regular wood.

Another option is to hang a post from the ceiling at the center. This keeps it open underneath, and allows the possibility of using shorter beams. That may require beefing up the ceiling attachment point.

As for getting a beam that is 25' long, if you use 2x12s or 2x10s, you have to attach them together as Hickey says, but you simply stagger the ends. Cut one at 6', one at 12' and one at 9', attach those together, then lay your next 12' piece and start attaching that. Don't know if that is clear or not, let me know and I'll try to be more clear.
 

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
As previously mentioned, the load on the loft is what will tell you how big your beam needs to be. It is a bit of a complex problem, as you will have support from the 3 walls and the load will be distributed across the floor. The next part of the problem is what material you want to use. As previously mentioned, steel and engineered beams would require less cross sectional area than regular wood.

Another option is to hang a post from the ceiling at the center. This keeps it open underneath, and allows the possibility of using shorter beams. That may require beefing up the ceiling attachment point.

As for getting a beam that is 25' long, if you use 2x12s or 2x10s, you have to attach them together as Hickey says, but you simply stagger the ends. Cut one at 6', one at 12' and one at 9', attach those together, then lay your next 12' piece and start attaching that. Don't know if that is clear or not, let me know and I'll try to be more clear.

Makes sense to me. Bolt and glue them together? Where would I go to get an engineered beam? I was planning on framing it with wood, but if there are better options I am open to it. As for weight... Um... A lot? I'm planning on keeping misc garage stuff up there. Tires, transmissions, t-cases, misc parts, supplies, tools, back burner projects, you name it. Garage stuff. I may build some shelves up there bolted to the back wall so most of the weight can be supported by that back wall instead of the floor.
 

BlackSheep

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Makes sense to me. Bolt and glue them together?

hopefully, my image has attached correctly. What I have drawn is 24' wide for ease of representation. You just have to cut similar lengths to get your width. The center red is two 12' boards. The point is to stagger the end joints. When you put enough glue between the boards (2x12" or 2x10" or whatever), then bolt them down, it becomes more like an engineered beam.

Where would I go to get an engineered beam? I was planning on framing it with wood, but if there are better options I am open to it.

Not sure where you would get an engineered beam, but basically, it is a laminated wood product that is very strong and can be built to handle whatever loads you need to hold. In just about any dimension you need. Probably more expensive than using 2x10" or 2x12".

As for weight... Um... A lot? I'm planning on keeping misc garage stuff up there. Tires, transmissions, t-cases, misc parts, supplies, tools, back burner projects, you name it. Garage stuff. I may build some shelves up there bolted to the back wall so most of the weight can be supported by that back wall instead of the floor.

The strength of the spanning beam is very important. You want to make that front beam as strong as the wall, otherwise, you'll end up with the front beam sagging under the weight. Think about the strength of that wall as well. You don't want to over stress it. At the wall, you could actually add some supporting posts under the 'frame' beam that could also be attached to the wall. This would give you additional vertical support (taking vertical load from the wall and transferring it to the floor), and would act as supports you could build a bench and shelves on. (Under the loft of course).
 

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Hickey

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Engineered beams are the floor joists in your new house. You may be able to get those at 25' length and just run 5 of them.

You might consider going 26x6 for cut off/sheating. You will have less waste I think.
 

sbr

Registered User
if you need some help with this give me a call I will do what I can. I am a general contractor ,I also frame all day . 801-870-8635. Cory Stewart
 

BioNuke1

Jeepsus Chrystler
Location
0rem
I'd simply use a big glulam beam and joists made from like 2x8's going back to the wall.
 
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