Political thread: interesting idea that's time is way past due

mbryson

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I hope something liken this actually takes.


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55626611-82/washington-members-problem-solvers.html.csp

Huntsman & Manchin: Become problem solvers
| The Salt Lake Tribune
First Published Jan 14 2013 01:14 pm • Last Updated Jan 14 2013 05:37 pm
Much ink has been spilled over what’s wrong with Washington.


The rise of partisan media, too much money in politics and congressional gerrymandering that rewards ideologues with safe seats have all been offered as diagnoses for government dysfunction.



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These explanations are accurate — but almost totally irrelevant to the urgent challenges at hand.


The American people can’t just hope for the creation of a better "system." Reducing money in politics and building a better election system are worthy and important endeavors — but they are tough, multi-year, state-by state slogs.


We need to attempt those things and to seek solutions now from the system and the leaders we already have. Businesses are not hiring, and investors are not investing as a direct result of the uncertainty created by Washington. Too many would-be workers are not working. The coming generations are being doomed to a worse standard of living than previous generations.


Knowing that should light a fire under everybody in Washington. But it hasn’t. The gridlock continues, most recently with the "fiscal cliff" fiasco, and the fight over the debt ceiling looms.


From our perspective, there is only one way for leaders in Washington to step up: They need an attitude adjustment. Everyone needs to be willing to sit down with anyone — conservative, liberal or anyone in between — to work together to achieve success for our nation. Everyone needs to recognize that principled and deeply held political beliefs don’t require an all-or-nothing approach to governance and that the letter behind a person’s name does not automatically make them stupid or treasonous.


To be clear, we are not naive about the challenge of fostering cooperation across the aisle. There are philosophical differences between Democrats and Republicans that can’t be papered over with nice words about civility.


But adopting an attitude focused on problem solving is a deeply pragmatic response to Washington’s dysfunction. With Democrats controlling the Senate and Republicans controlling the House, no one can get everything they want. We will either work across the aisle to fix problems or we will achieve nothing.


Luckily, we are not the only ones who recognize this. On Monday morning, the group No Labels — a collection of Democrats, Republicans and independents dedicated to promoting a new politics of problem solving — will unveil two dozen "problem solvers": a group of House and Senate members evenly split between Republicans and Democrats who have agreed to hold monthly meetings in 2013 to build trust across the aisle.




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These forward-looking Americans include: Sens. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, and Dean Heller, R-Nev., and Reps. John Barrow, D-Ga., Sanford Bishop, D-Ga., David Cicilline, D-R.I., Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., Charlie Dent, R-Pa., Scott DesJarlais, R-Tenn., Mike Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., Michael Grimm, R-N.Y., Janice Hahn, D-Calif., Richard Hanna, R-N.Y., Jim Himes, D-Conn., Lynn Jenkins, R-Kan., Jack Kingston, R-Ga., Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., Dave Loebsack, D-Iowa, Jim Moran, D-Va., Reid Ribble, R-Wis., Scott Rigell, R-Va., Kurt Schrader, D-Ore., and Peter Welch, D-Vt.


This is a big deal. While in past years members of Congress used to interact regularly with members of the opposite party, today members of Congress interact very little with people from the other party — or even members of their own party in the opposite body. Members’ daily lives are dominated by party caucus, policy and fundraising meetings that are focused on winning elections or destroying the opposing party. There isn’t much time left over to actually govern.


But the problem solvers can and will seek to change this. In the next year, No Labels’ grass-roots supporters will strive to expand the number of problem solvers, with a goal of recruiting 75 members by year’s end. This could transform how Washington works. And it won’t be long before members start hearing demands from their constituents to join the group. Millions of Americans who have tired of the hyper-partisanship have realized that there is an organized group that can finally give them a voice in our political system. They have gone to NoLabels.org and are telling their friends and neighbors to as well.


Despite the gloomy outlook in Washington, the United States has great potential and promise. The American people need their leaders in Washington to start supporting our economy and stop subtracting from it. We can begin tapping our potential the moment we stop taking score and begin taking steps to start solving problems. That’s the only realistic way forward for America.


Joe Manchin, a Democrat, is a U.S. senator from West Virginia and one of the two dozen problem solvers. Jon Huntsman, a former governor of Utah, was a Republican candidate for president last year. They are the national leaders of No Labels (www.nolabels.org). This column first appeared in The Washington Post.






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jackjoh

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Great ideas but
I personally believe Huntsman is too liberal and does not believe in following the Constitution. We do not have to like each other to do what is right and good for the country. Putting politicians on social security would be a start.
 

jeeper

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Making our leaders live by the laws they make would make a huge difference. I don't know why it's not our top priority as people to make our leaders out equals. If we get Obama care so should they. If we don't get paid for the rest of our life after being fired neither should they. If we pay social security so should they.
 

mbryson

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Making our leaders live by the laws they make would make a huge difference. I don't know why it's not our top priority as people to make our leaders out equals. If we get Obama care so should they. If we don't get paid for the rest of our life after being fired neither should they. If we pay social security so should they.



tough to disagree with that.
 

Bart

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I'm sure I'm a minority here on this position, but personally I think that Huntsman is probably the best possible person for the job. If the republican party tries to stay ultra conservative (Tea Party, Evangelicals) they will lose again, again, and again. There has to be an effort to gain some middle ground here to finally communicate and make a change.
 

JL Rockies

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I'm sure I'm a minority here on this position, but personally I think that Huntsman is probably the best possible person for the job. If the republican party tries to stay ultra conservative (Tea Party, Evangelicals) they will lose again, again, and again. There has to be an effort to gain some middle ground here to finally communicate and make a change.

When was the last time the party was conservative? The last time there was a conservative presidential candidate, there were two landslide victories. Conservatism is not the problem, progressivism is. See panicked posts in Landuse for examples.
 

Marsh99

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I'm sure I'm a minority here on this position, but personally I think that Huntsman is probably the best possible person for the job. If the republican party tries to stay ultra conservative (Tea Party, Evangelicals) they will lose again, again, and again. There has to be an effort to gain some middle ground here to finally communicate and make a change.

When was the last time the party was conservative? The last time there was a conservative presidential candidate, there were two landslide victories. Conservatism is not the problem, progressivism is. See panicked posts in Landuse for examples.

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Stephen

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I personally believe Huntsman is too liberal and does not believe in following the Constitution.

That’s a bold statement there, Jack. What do you mean by it?

We do not have to like each other to do what is right and good for the country.

It would be a move in the right direction if the people debating and making the laws got along better. Chances are good that if they did, they would be more willing to work together on finding a common ground. Joseph is a frothing at the mouth, rabid nut case hyper conservative. But I’ll still have him over for some vegan tofu burgers and Coke Zero because I’ve decided he’s a nice guy and I can talk to him about stuff, even if we disagree on many points.

I'm sure I'm a minority here on this position, but personally I think that Huntsman is probably the best possible person for the job. If the republican party tries to stay ultra conservative (Tea Party, Evangelicals) they will lose again, again, and again. There has to be an effort to gain some middle ground here to finally communicate and make a change.

Couldn’t agree more. The hyper conservative base that seems to be controlling the Republican party now is shrinking. Unless the party becomes more moderate and embrace other factions (ie, Latinos) then they will continue to be beat out for the White House and the Senate. The House is different because of how the districts are distributed, and they’ll always have a chance to hold that.

Huntsman I felt was the Republican’s best hope for 2012, but he wasn’t right wing enough so there really was no hope for him in the primaries. I think in the general election he would have won by a landslide.

When was the last time the party was conservative?

You’re joking right? The GOP is more conservative now than it has been in history.

The last time there was a conservative presidential candidate, there were two landslide victories. Conservatism is not the problem, progressivism is. See panicked posts in Landuse for examples.

Who? Reagan? He was a moderate that’s been co-opted in recent years as a hyper conservative. He would have scoffed at the Tea Party. Nixon? Again, moderate. Eisenhower? Moderate. Coolidge? I don’t think most people who are “conservative” today would even recognize his form of conservatism. Nor would they Roosevelt’s. Oh, wait, he was a hated Progressive.

What do you define as “progressivism”? The Progressive Movement of the late 19th century and early 20th petered out in the 1940’s. You throw that term around a lot and I’d like to know what you mean by it. There are a lot of things from Progressivism that I think everyone in the US is grateful for (women’s suffrage, for example).

Big “C” Conservatism is not the problem. Nor is big “L” Liberalism. It’s a strict adherence to either ideology that is. Being unable to compromise and come to a middle ground is what has ground Washington to a halt and is slowly killing this country. People are too busy gorging themselves on Fox News, Alex Jones, MSNBC and Ed Shultz to see what the other side has to say and offer. I do not identify myself as a Liberal, but there are many Liberal ideas that I agree with and many Conservative ideas that I whole heartedly disagree with. I think that the vast majority of America is in my camp. We are sick and tired of being presented with two options: Far-Right or Far-Left. Never a moderate. Never someone who actually represents America as a whole. Always people catering to their base. It’s getting old.
 

glockman

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The Republican Party is the same as the Democrat party. They are both just money laundering schemes. The only difference is the recipient. The Republican Party also has more elected Latinos than the Dem. Just saying. The problem is the media on both sides look for outliers and try to make people think that is the mainstream view of the associated party. We all need to start taking every thing we read on a website or see in a newscast with a grain of salt. It is all biased. Watch both sides and find the middle. That is where the truth lies.


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glockman

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I almost forgot. Why is the Tea party always a target. The tea party is about limiting taxes. Nothing else. There are F'd up people with F'd up views that associate with the Tea Party but it isn't what the Party is about. I'm a libertarian but agree with the limiting of taxes tacked from us to give to corporations or special groups ie acorn or Halliburton.


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Herzog

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Another thing that needs to happen is that we need to stop calling them "leaders". They are representatives, albeit most are not very good at it. But that's just a social dialog change and way of thinking.
 

JL Rockies

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Stephen, you have zero idea what you're talking about.... seriously, but I don't blame you... I blame the public school system...:)
 

thenag

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Stephen, you have zero idea what you're talking about.... seriously, but I don't blame you... I blame the public school system...:)

You didn't answer if you meant Ronald Reagan but since you said "land side election" I will take it you meant Reagan.

raised the debt ceiling 18 times

negotiated with terrorist

raised taxes several times

granted amnesty to illegal immigrants

that doesn't sound at all like a modern conservative

Nathan
 

JL Rockies

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Wow. Really? That's your response? Oh, ok, buddy. And you know all about it, huh? Give me a break. :rolleyes:

I'd have an intellectually honest debate with you but since you (as you always do) start out with name calling, you've already lost. Just sayin'
 

Bart

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When was the last time the party was conservative? The last time there was a conservative presidential candidate, there were two landslide victories. Conservatism is not the problem, progressivism is. See panicked posts in Landuse for examples.

You have seen the results of the last 2 elections, right? The Republican party has lost the women and hispanic vote. Going more right will only alienate those groups further. For those that demand a more conservative government, that isn't going to happen. That leaves 2 choices, either be wiling to make some compromises and gain the majority, or sit on the sidelines after the next election and be#&tch about the the constitution being trampled.
 

jackjoh

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Making our leaders live by the laws they make would make a huge difference. I don't know why it's not our top priority as people to make our leaders out equals. If we get Obama care so should they. If we don't get paid for the rest of our life after being fired neither should they. If we pay social security so should they.
I read this over and believe one of the best statements.
As you know I have been around for quite a while and the first Presidental election I voted in was 1952 and I voted against Eisenhower and for Stevenson who lost. The party does not matter they are all in it for themselves and cot the country. As stated they are not our leaders they are our representatives that we elect therefore we get what we vote for. I do believe that both Reagan and Trump helped the country and the constitution more than they hurt it. We four-wheelers and rock hounds Need to give the House back to anyone but the Democrats to counter Biden's many mistakes. I also hope that the Senate rejects Tracy Stone=Manning as head of the BLM.
 
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