Prop 8 just got reveresed

[N-Smooth]

maybe not the majority, but (i think) some people do it because they think it is cool to be different/stand out etc.
not trying to start a fight, i hope no one is offended because like many have stated i don't really care... just an honest observation

Wow 2010 and some people still think homosexuality is a choice....:-\

 

[dzeyer]

What's the point in getting married if you can't reproduce?
You can commit to each other all day long that you wont ever leave each other, but that's pointless if you aren't going to reproduce. I can care less if you (homosexuals) want to go stand in front of someone and say "tell me I'm married" just for the hell of it. It's when you want to be treated (in the eyes of the American Government and it's facilities) the same when in fact you aren't.... YOU CAN'T MAKE BABIES!

There is a strain on a couple when they begin a family weather it's financial or stress related. Marriage is way to commit to themselves and be publicly viewed as an institution unto themselves.... and the American Government recognizes that and treats them differently than someone who is not creating more people. So, WHY do homosexuals NEED to get married?

So I guess the debate isn't weather or not they want a piece of paper that says they like each other a whole heap... it's weather they deserve the same breaks as traditionally married couples.

 

[SAMI]

I can think of an instance where it'd be beneficial to be 'legally bound' as a homosexual couple: in the event an accident has occured and the significant other is not allowed near the victim, or allowed to have a say in what happens to them (care given ect).. I'm sure there's more examples of the things that homosexual couples are not allowed to benefit from, as far as "marriage" goes..

"marriage" brings nagging and endless lists of shit to do around the house.. Why are they so persistent in wanting this?

 

[DOSS]

What's the point in getting married if you can't reproduce?
You can commit to each other all day long that you wont ever leave each other, but that's pointless if you aren't going to reproduce. I can care less if you (homosexuals) want to go stand in front of someone and say "tell me I'm married" just for the hell of it. It's when you want to be treated (in the eyes of the American Government and it's facilities) the same when in fact you aren't.... YOU CAN'T MAKE BABIES!

There is a strain on a couple when they begin a family weather it's financial or stress related. Marriage is way to commit to themselves and be publicly viewed as an institution unto themselves.... and the American Government recognizes that and treats them differently than someone who is not creating more people. So, WHY do homosexuals NEED to get married?

So I guess the debate isn't weather or not they want a piece of paper that says they like each other a whole heap... it's weather they deserve the same breaks as traditionally married couples.

Well I don't know about making babies being a need (lots of people have kids without marriage) and I think that being childless and Married was rather nice.. world is working on overpopulation anyhow...

Lets see, Breaks Traditionally married couples get.. Marital assets (live together in a house that you purchased together bla bla bla), Tax advantages (even without kids), alimony, Social security death benefits, ability to adopt (oh crap.. children ) I could go on and on.

 

[ID Bronco]

What's the point in getting married if you can't reproduce?
You can commit to each other all day long that you wont ever leave each other, but that's pointless if you aren't going to reproduce. I can care less if you (homosexuals) want to go stand in front of someone and say "tell me I'm married" just for the hell of it. It's when you want to be treated (in the eyes of the American Government and it's facilities) the same when in fact you aren't.... YOU CAN'T MAKE BABIES!

There is a strain on a couple when they begin a family weather it's financial or stress related. Marriage is way to commit to themselves and be publicly viewed as an institution unto themselves.... and the American Government recognizes that and treats them differently than someone who is not creating more people. So, WHY do homosexuals NEED to get married?

So I guess the debate isn't weather or not they want a piece of paper that says they like each other a whole heap... it's weather they deserve the same breaks as traditionally married couples.

I don't have time to look it all up since I am wasting way too much time on this anyway, but as I understand it they already have nearly all the benefits of married couples in most states. Especially in California. Hospital visitation, retirement, wills, so forth. There are many ways to get tax breaks other than this. It is by and large just the States Aknowledgment of the union. Churches already do it and that is what really matters to most people if they are religious. If this goes the way the Judge ruled it could "potentially" mean that it would be descrimination for a church of any denomination to deny a marriage to homosexuals even if the doctrine of that church goes against it. Many think that is a stretch but I don't. My trust in Govt. and the system is very low right now.

 

[mesha]

I DON'T CARE WHO GETS MARRIED!

It isn't like gays/lesbians getting married means less people in the straight dating pool. It isn't like in the movies....fuggliness abounds.

 

[Cody]

Thanks! I can decide fat girls are cute or redheads are attractive or what ever. That's how I see it and it's just an Opinion. Again as stated earlier I am no expert on homosexuality and didn't and don't want to argue it, but constitutionally it's different than race which is what the opinion is based upon.

Well, that is where you and I differ. You put a fat redhead in the sack with me, and my bits aren't going to work no matter how much I "choose" them to. Same with a dude. Naked dude is gross to me no matter how much I would want to be cool and "choose" to be hip and different (i.e. persecuted, belittled, and withheld basic human rights). Cool! Sign me up for that.

The line of reasoning I avoided going down was as such: I know for a fact that no matter how hard I try, dudes are not attractive to me. No more than I can choose my junk to go vert over an obese ginger granny with gout. I can't choose that any more than I can choose to be pregnant. So if you can honestly look me in the eye and say "I could make myself attracted to men", then, well, you put it together.

And not that there is anything wrong with that anyway. But I doubt you honestly believe that. If you do, then perhaps you are in a bit of socially constructed denial and deep down you should probably look into being more accepting of people that do make that choice that you apparently see (if it were a choice, which it is not).

 

[ID Bronco]

Wow 2010 and some people still think homosexuality is a choice....:-\

Oh boy, I don't want to argue this too. I don't have the energy or the scientific data to back it up. I will just continue to be late to the acceptance, it's not their fault party. I have a lot of shortcomings and I guess I should just accept them, it's not a choice anyway.

 

[DOSS]

they already have nearly all

There you go.. nearly all is not all, Lets see some guy open up a restaurant that says, "Hey I will let NEARLY ALL people in, just not the blacks" I would hope you would not be ok with this just because he let in 'nearly all' people. (then again you are welcome to be a bigot if you so choose but the constitutional amendments and crazy things like that say that those kind of acts are un-constitutional)

oh this is so much fun...

 

[mesha]

There you go.. nearly all is not all, Lets see some guy open up a restaurant that says, "Hey I will let NEARLY ALL people in, just not the blacks" I would hope you would not be ok with this just because he let in 'nearly all' people. (then again you are welcome to be a bigot if you so choose but the constitutional amendments and crazy things like that say that those kind of acts are un-constitutional)

oh this is so much fun...

While I agree with you, I also think the owner should be able to keep people out if he wants to. In this day and age his business would not last if he did that, but he should be able to choose.

I have been trying to sign up for curves for years now but they won't let me because I am a man.

 

[jackjoh]

Since what I say will not matter here are some of my thoughts. Our laws were based on common law and marriage was instituted for the benefit of the children of that marriage. I have a Catholic cousin that wanted to know why the Mormons were singled out for abuse when the Catholics gave over twice as much money against Prop. 8. I did not have an answer. I agree that judges are a big problem for four wheelers and activist judges are hurting this country. I studied homosexuality sixty years ago when it was a part of Abnormal Psychology so I am prejudiced and will not comment on the physical part but I believe it is possible to love just about anyone or anything but it is what you do with that love that counts. "I love four wheeling" and "children are our most important product".

 

[JoeT]

I'm afraid that this issue/subject is this generations slavery/abortion issue. Something that could tear this nation apart .Not happy that a judge has overturned this twice now on voters. What is the point of voting then? I'm betting that the next round when it goe's to the polls is going to get very very ugly. Curious as to what Obama is going to say on this subject.

 

[Milner]

Well, that is where you and I differ. You put a fat redhead in the sack with me, and my bits aren't going to work no matter how much I "choose" them to. Same with a dude. Naked dude is gross to me no matter how much I would want to be cool and "choose" to be hip and different (i.e. persecuted, belittled, and withheld basic human rights). Cool! Sign me up for that.

The line of reasoning I avoided going down was as such: I know for a fact that no matter how hard I try, dudes are not attractive to me. No more than I can choose my junk to go vert over an obese ginger granny with gout. I can't choose that any more than I can choose to be pregnant. So if you can honestly look me in the eye and say "I could make myself attracted to men", then, well, you put it together.

And not that there is anything wrong with that anyway. But I doubt you honestly believe that. If you do, then perhaps you are in a bit of socially constructed denial and deep down you should probably look into being more accepting of people that do make that choice that you apparently see (if it were a choice, which it is not).

I come home and sit down to craft a response, and as usual, Cody has put it so much better than I can....

 

[jackjoh]

Why don't they call it a Civil Union like they do in England and leave marriage alone?

 

[864runner]

What's the point in getting married if you can't reproduce?
You can commit to each other all day long that you wont ever leave each other, but that's pointless if you aren't going to reproduce. I can care less if you (homosexuals) want to go stand in front of someone and say "tell me I'm married" just for the hell of it. It's when you want to be treated (in the eyes of the American Government and it's facilities) the same when in fact you aren't.... YOU CAN'T MAKE BABIES!

There is a strain on a couple when they begin a family weather it's financial or stress related. Marriage is way to commit to themselves and be publicly viewed as an institution unto themselves.... and the American Government recognizes that and treats them differently than someone who is not creating more people. So, WHY do homosexuals NEED to get married?

So I guess the debate isn't weather or not they want a piece of paper that says they like each other a whole heap... it's weather they deserve the same breaks as traditionally married couples.

So are you saying that straight people who can't reproduce because they are sterile or whatever shouldn't be allowed to get married? It's not like they are gonna MAKE BABIES! (as you put it).

Why don't they call it a Civil Union like they do in England and leave marriage alone?

Why should they have to call it a civil union? How is gay people getting married going to hurt your marriage or the institution of marriage?

I'm not sure that anyone else knows any gays/lesbians. But I do and I feel they should have the right to get married just like anyone else.

I am straight and I have a girlfriend and a child together, and I don't want to get married because of the religious aspect of it (I'm not religious in the least bit) and I believe there should just be a legal document that we could sign that just lets us have a "civil union" to get all the benefits of being married.

 

[DOSS]

I am straight and I have a girlfriend and a child together, and I don't want to get married because of the religious aspect of it (I'm not religious in the least bit) and I believe there should just be a legal document that we could sign that just lets us have a "civil union" to get all the benefits of being married.

you are aware that that is just a cop-out as marriage isn't necessarily a religious act.. you can go to the judge or have Elvis perform the ceremony (IE witness you and her swear and sign that you want to be married -civil union)

 

[Cody]

I studied homosexuality sixty years ago when it was a part of Abnormal Psychology

Is this sort of like how blacks were only considered like, 60% citizens for centuries (don't remember the exact number here, but you get the point)? Or how the bible says the Earth is the center of the universe? Or how flat for that matter?


Point is, science progresses, society progresses, humanity progresses. It's a cycle that can be traced back for generations, and I don't understand why people are so surprised to see it happen to them.

And homesexuality very well might be considered abnormal. Does that mean they have less right to be happy or are second class citizens? Does an autistic person deserve less than a normal person?

 

[Tacoma]

I believe there should just be a legal document that we could sign that just lets us have a "civil union" to get all the benefits of being married.

uh, it's called a marriage license.

 

[SAMI]

Ugh, Cody started a sentence with 'and'. Cody, you know better.

 

[TRNDRVR]

Please, carry on.