Prop 8 results

[Tacoma]

awwwwww 100 people won't come to UT this year.

I would say that's the gayest thing I've ever heard, but.... might be inappropriate.

Boycott the Mormon church, but sheesh. UT didn't sponsor anything.

"They just took marriage away from 20,000 couples and made their children bastards," he said. "You don't do that and get away with it."

omg

 

[scoutabout]

Ask yourself why the LDS church was so active on this issue. Many moral issues come up, but when did the church last step into politics?

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Why shouldn't a church be able to weigh in on a moral issue? While I by no means agree with any one religion, I for one am happy they have the right and "responsibility" to advocate for what their membership believes in.

It wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things that homosexuality was a completely unheard of practice and those practicing were considered "sick" and "radical". I'm OK with the individual rights of two homosexual individuals, but where do we stop? Do you realize we have other "radical" groups amongst our populations that want their beliefs to be mainstream accepted. Polygamy, Bigamy, NAMBLA, KKK, the list goes on and on and on. The government can't, won't and often shouldn't intervene in these situations, they should let the people decide what is best for the moral fabric that is our society. If churches, school groups or a f-in girl scout troop wants to weigh in on it in and form or fashion. Let them!

Re: Sundance. What else can we do to keep Californians out of Utah, this is a pretty promising start if you ask me

 

[Tacoma]

Why shouldn't a church be able to weigh in on a moral issue? While I by no means agree with any one religion, I for one am happy they have the right and "responsibility" to advocate for what their membership believes in.

It wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things that homosexuality was a completely unheard of practice and those practicing were considered "sick" and "radical". I'm OK with the individual rights of two homosexual individuals, but where do we stop? Do you realize we have other "radical" groups amongst our populations that want their beliefs to be mainstream accepted. Polygamy, Bigamy, NAMBLA, KKK, the list goes on and on and on. The government can't, won't and often shouldn't intervene in these situations, they should let the people decide what is best for the moral fabric that is our society. If churches, school groups or a f-in girl scout troop wants to weigh in on it in and form or fashion. Let them!

Re: Sundance. What else can we do to keep Californians out of Utah, this is a pretty promising start if you ask me

Agree x11tybillion

 

[scoutabout]

Why shouldn't a church be able to weigh in on a moral issue? While I by no means agree with any one religion, I for one am happy they have the right and "responsibility" to advocate for what their membership believes in.

Just to clarify, I was just saying that the LDS church usually does not involve itself in these issues politically, and that the fact they did on this particular issue is an indicator of why it's so important to them.

I am totally out on this convo.

 

[Cody]

the lds church has a long history of being involved in political issues.

 

[Caleb]

the lds church has a long history of being involved in political issues.

I was thinking the same thing. Isn't that one reason why a lot of non-mormon locals get so upset with local politics?

 

[Bart]

It wasn't too long ago in the grand scheme of things that homosexuality was a completely unheard of practice and those practicing were considered "sick" and "radical". I'm OK with the individual rights of two homosexual individuals, but where do we stop? Do you realize we have other "radical" groups amongst our populations that want their beliefs to be mainstream accepted. Polygamy, Bigamy, NAMBLA, KKK, the list goes on and on and on. The government can't, won't and often shouldn't intervene in these situations, they should let the people decide what is best for the moral fabric that is our society. If churches, school groups or a f-in girl scout troop wants to weigh in on it in and form or fashion. Let them!

Wow, not often am I the liberal in the group, but I don't agree with this. Comparing gay marriage to Polygamy, Bigamy, NAMBLA, KKK, is a stretch at best with the possible exception of Bigamy. All of these groups pose problems and situations that infringe on others rights i.e. incest, welfare fraud, and hatred, where gay marriage is just that, between two consenting people. Personally I just don't see the harm in gay marriage.

As far as the church involvement, they can do as they wish, but should be ready for the fallout it will cause. If they thought they had problems with nuisance protesters at Conference times before, I'd imagine it will be worse now.

 

[Cody]

I was talking to a friend this weekend and he brought up a point that I couldn't really get passed. His only problem with gay marriage is that it would potentially allow a loophole for non homosexual people of the same gender to marry for the tax and legal implications...i.e. shared health care, taxes, etc etc.

I can see people taking advantage of the system, but how big of a problem would this be?

 

[RockMonkey]

I was talking to a friend this weekend and he brought up a point that I couldn't really get passed. His only problem with gay marriage is that it would potentially allow a loophole for non homosexual people of the same gender to marry for the tax and legal implications...i.e. shared health care, taxes, etc etc.

I can see people taking advantage of the system, but how big of a problem would this be?

The same loophole exists for male/female marriages. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting married for the tax and health care benefits.

 

[Tacoma]

Probably not all that big an issue... but this is America, someone WILL take advantage of that.

 

[phatfoto]

I've known more than a few folks that got a "marriage of convenience"... And I've seen them end well, I've seen them actually make it a "real" marriage, and I've seen them turn just as ugly a divorce as a "real" marriage...

I'd imagine the same would happen with the gays.

Look, I have no real beef with the whole gay thing, the part that gets me is that the people of California voted a certain way. Those that lost are upset and don't want the will of the people heard, only their own way. My concern is that when the will of the people is overturned by the courts, as has happened numerous times in California, the will of the people in other places can be overturned byt the courts. NOT the job of the courts to do that.

Imagine that the people of Utah had a choice in an election of opening lands that were previously closed. And the people of Utah voted to open those lands. Can you imagine the uproar and lawsuits that SUWA would file?

Just an example of course, how this could be applied to take the emotions out of the arguments.