Protests

mbryson

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....Not wanting to make it Trump/Anti-Trump but the president did not create an environment were GOP is going to listen or negotiate on solutions with his tweets and rhetoric. The fact that the House Democrats and Senate Republicans both passed legislation that neither will negotiate on is absurd.


Our DUTY as an American citizen is to make it known that we are tired of the "function" of our government. Partisanship is giant crock of shit. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. We CAN find common ground and work from there. Call your reps/senators. If they aren't responsive, we can create a "revolution" by voting out the partisan shitheads. The "my way is the only way" is a total crock. I sincerely believe we need lobbyist reform (in a way that ANY lobbyist in the past 30 years is now not able to lobby any federal, state or local government entity--find a real job bitches, your bribery is exposed and you'll actually have to work for a living now) and term limits (I truly believe that's why Trump won..... A LOT of us are TIRED of the continuous bullshit from career politicians. I don't really care for Trump but the alternative was Hillary who has been in "service" {to herself} for at least the past 30-40 years. Biden is NOT what I'm looking for. Kayne West seemed like a more viable candidate to me than Biden)
 

Houndoc

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I want to toss out a little bit of history.

Blood Sunday at Selma

Looking back on incidents such as this, I think everyone on RME would agree the government and police were in the wrong.

Now consider that many of the same arguments made to justify the actions at the time (law and order, protecting from communisms and leftists etc.) are the same arguments being used now to justify violence against protestors.
 

TRD270

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are the same arguments being used now to justify violence against protestors.

I will agree with most of the statement however I emphatically disagree with this portion. These are NOT protesters being arrested. They are criminals, breaking the law under the guise of being protesters and hiding among the protesters.

If people want to protest that’s fine that is their right protected by the constitution. However you lose that right the second you commit a criminal act. I also love how “violence against” is being thrown around. How about we talk about the violence against officers, IED’s, bricks, even saw someone dump gas on an officer from a water bottle then light him on fire. On the news, nope.
 

Jesser04

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Kaysville Utah
@Houndoc would you feel the same way if the “protesters“ burned down your vet clinic? How about them setting up a “chaz” from 7th-13th on 33rd restricting your business?
 
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mbryson

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I want to toss out a little bit of history.

Blood Sunday at Selma

Looking back on incidents such as this, I think everyone on RME would agree the government and police were in the wrong.

Now consider that many of the same arguments made to justify the actions at the time (law and order, protecting from communisms and leftists etc.) are the same arguments being used now to justify violence against protestors.

Those marches were against oppressive voting laws and general southern discriminatory policies, correct? While the murder of a man via strangulation by “accepted “ techniques by an officer is horrific, those officers have been charged, arrested and are in due process (at least to my knowledge). I do think the protests have made their point. I've grown weary of hearing about them and I don't even have a television service in my home to watch Faux News, Manipulated Sham News Broadcasting Corporation {MSNBC}, and Contrived News Network, etc. I can't imagine someone's perspective that actually watches that sensational drivel. Wouldn't we ALL like to see better trained, better paid and safer police forces? Are the police forces reduced to literal "baby sitters" in some areas of the country? (it does seem that way to me to a degree--we see the same type of thing in land use where some people feel like other people will "take care of things" and they can litter and destroy whatever they feel like)

The Oregon protests carrying on this long is for what? Is it related to the 1967 riots? Are those same issues from over 50 years ago still a factor? To some they could be? I'm generally curious why the city gov, state gov hasn't stepped in and just tried to have some conversations so things could get back to the "normal" Coronavirus crisis. (On that note, why aren't protesters dropping in the streets due to Coronavirus? Close contact, chanting, looting aren't stressful enough to create an "exposure" event but me sitting in a church pew or hanging with friends at a restaurant is? I guess most do have masks and maybe that's the placebo that is in place?)
 
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Houndoc

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Grantsville
Two completely different scenarios Houndoc.

Let's see, in the 1960s:
We have anger over long-standing racial injustices, magnified by police killing of blacks.
We have protests that disrupt both private businesses and public infustructure.
We have mostly peaceful demonstration with some more radical and violent elements.
We have protestors and protest leaders who travel to multiple cities to participate in protests.
We have those protestors labeled by government and public as 'anti-American', 'leftists' and 'communists' and fear spread that they are pushing for changes that disrupt accepted societal norms and families.

And we have a strong government reaction that includes documented beatings of peaceful protestors as well as heavy police violence, tear gas etc. against both peaceful and violent protestors.


Nope, I see nothing similar between what happened then and what is going on now.
 

TRD270

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Let's see, in the 1960s:
We have anger over long-standing racial injustices, magnified by police killing of blacks.
We have protests that disrupt both private businesses and public infustructure.
We have mostly peaceful demonstration with some more radical and violent elements.
We have protestors and protest leaders who travel to multiple cities to participate in protests.
We have those protestors labeled by government and public as 'anti-American', 'leftists' and 'communists' and fear spread that they are pushing for changes that disrupt accepted societal norms and families.

And we have a strong government reaction that includes documented beatings of peaceful protestors as well as heavy police violence, tear gas etc. against both peaceful and violent protestors.


Nope, I see nothing similar between what happened then and what is going on now.
Where is this so called “heavy police violence” you speak of?
 

Houndoc

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Grantsville
@Houndoc would you feel the same way if the “protesters“ burned down your vet clinic? How about them setting up a “chaz” from 7th-13th on 33rd restricting your business?

In no place did I say I support the protests in Portland.

But even if I was more directly affected by them, I would not support over-reaching federal response. I expect all law enforcement to respect protestor's Constitutional rights. I do not see that happening currently in regards to federal agents in Portland.
 

SAMI

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SLC, UT
Let's see, in the 1960s:
We have anger over long-standing racial injustices, magnified by the media.
We have protests that disrupt both private businesses and public infustructure.
We have mostly peaceful demonstration with some more radical and violent elements.
We have protestors and protest leaders who travel to multiple cities to participate in protests.
We have those protestors labeled by government and public as 'anti-American', 'leftists' and 'communists' and fear spread that they are pushing for changes that disrupt accepted societal norms and families.

And we have a strong government reaction that includes documented beatings of peaceful protestors as well as heavy police violence, tear gas etc. against both peaceful and violent protestors.


Nope, I see nothing similar between what happened then and what is going on now.

Houndoc, I think one area where we are not seeing eye to eye is what we call 'protester'. I feel as though you are lumping the criminal element that is hijacking peaceful protests to incite violence, as protesters. Perhaps I'm wrong, but your point of 'protesters' being labelled as 'anti-American' is not how I or much of the country view peaceful protesters.. The criminals driving the anti-American, terrorist agenda, including Antifa, are who most of us view as anti-American - because they are by word and deed.

I'd say one of the biggest differences between the two scenarios are that 1) the bloody sunday march was not violent until certain police agencies made it so (not OK or justifiable), and 2) the media was not stoking the racial divide fire quite like it is today because 3) 1965 wasn't a presidential election year.

I look at today's hijacked protests and the police response as a lose/lose situation being caused by the lack of care from the local elected leadership. The violence and police response are pawns at this point. As Marc explained, if the elected leadership cared at all about their communities, why have they not sat everyone around a table in order to begin discussions, which can then lead to healing and understanding.. and CHANGE. I view the lame democratic leaders letting their communities to go to sh!t so that LE has to push back in order to keep peace for the greater citizenry, which is and will be violent; then the cherry on top for the democratic leaders is Federal agencies getting involved to curb the domestic terrorism (a Federal crime) which is then tossed back on Trump to smear elections.. We're all sitting ducks in a giant game of burn America down at whatever cost to get Trump out of office. That's it. Feel free to disagree with all or some of this, but I've never seen the situation more clearly than right now. Everything is an attempt to bring the US to it's knees for a globalist agenda, and Trump stands in the way of that agenda.. BLM, Antifa = pawns.

I am curious when we protest police killings... 118 cops killed in the US this year alone; more than a 100% increase from last year and also higher than blacks that were killed by cops last year. The numbers don't add up for the collective rage that is being unleashed by the protest hijackers (domestic terrorists).
 
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TRD270

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In no place did I say I support the protests in Portland.

But even if I was more directly affected by them, I would not support over-reaching federal response. I expect all law enforcement to respect protestor's Constitutional rights. I do not see that happening currently in regards to federal agents in Portland.

So please explain how this helps social justice. How this is a “peaceful protest”. How this is overbearing. How this is protected by constitutional rights of free speech and assembly.

IMO the feds are showing an incredible amount of restraint here.
 

anderson750

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Price, Utah
Looks like a completely legit peaceful protest to me........and there is no reason that we should be concerned about damage to federal property......SMFH

I am in 100% in support of the local law enforcement taking care of this but the minute you start committing crimes in the act of protesting it becomes a criminal activity and needs to be dealt with. Obviously the Portland PD is either under equipped to handle it or they are being told to stand down. Lets put the tear gas aside and come in with a truck fitted with a water cannon and give them all a good bath.
 

mbryson

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Looks like a completely legit peaceful protest to me........and there is no reason that we should be concerned about damage to federal property......SMFH

I am in 100% in support of the local law enforcement taking care of this but the minute you start committing crimes in the act of protesting it becomes a criminal activity and needs to be dealt with. Obviously the Portland PD is either under equipped to handle it or they are being told to stand down. Lets put the tear gas aside and come in with a truck fitted with a water cannon and give them all a good bath.


I vote for a sewage truck but I guess the water truck will work (assuming these are the "unruly" folks that aren't into an actual peaceful demonstration)
 

mbryson

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In no place did I say I support the protests in Portland.

But even if I was more directly affected by them, I would not support over-reaching federal response. I expect all law enforcement to respect protestor's Constitutional rights. I do not see that happening currently in regards to federal agents in Portland.


Interesting development over night.


From what I can tell, (and I literally know NOTHING specific about what’s been going on in Portland) the mayor has shown ZERO leadership. It appears the protestors don’t really have any respect for him. It would be cool if he went out there with a legal pad and a few staffers, taking notes (this should have happened weeks ago in my opinion) of specific grievances of the protesters and then addressed the protesters from a balcony summarizing their grievances and telling them that he’d take those items back to the council.


He could then go back to the city council with that list, work through them and other city resources to address those issues. My guess is that some of the grievances will not be able to be “fixed” and would likely be in opposition to other interests within the city? They could address those issues as a city/council and provide some items that might actually drive some change. Wouldn’t hurt to encourage folks with issues to work through the council meetings (maybe they have?) rather than affect the homes/businesses for 2+ months?


Am I “expert” armchair quarterbacking or am I far off base?
 

Hickey

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The Mayor has no one's respect. I've heard my cousin remark on that many times. She works in Portland.

I went through the outskirts of Portland last week and the amount of new vandalism/graffiti is crazy, and it's all aimed at cops and white people. It's completely racist in my eyes, and it's far from artistic in any way.
 
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