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RockChucker

RockChucker

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mbryson said:
Wow, Levi’s are 10,000% against 2nd Amendment and now Goodyear are political dumbasses. I’ll be finding different tires as these continue to wear out. Hate that our new society makes me choose products I buy based on dumbassed C-level statements.
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Yep. Pretty wild. I'm not sure MTR's are my favorite tire anymore. 39" BFG KM3s are probably close to the same size as your 38s...maybe even a little smaller :rofl: I have liked those tires so far...

I get that corporations are jumping on the band wagon to make it seem like they aren't part of the problem and keep a target off their backs. But the biggest issue I see with everything today (and this goes for both sides) is that no one can have a differing opinion any longer. If you don't agree, you're obviously 100% against them and want to see them burn. Frustrating. Time for this 2 party crap to end and get 5 major parties that will require parties to genuinely work together to get a majority for legislation. Might actually make politicians do things for the people again rather than for their own self serving interests....probably not, but one can hope right?
 
Hickey

Hickey

Burn-barrel enthusiast
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Grantsville, Utah
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4x4_Welder

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Location
Twin Falls, ID
RockChucker said:
Yep. Pretty wild. I'm not sure MTR's are my favorite tire anymore. 39" BFG KM3s are probably close to the same size as your 38s...maybe even a little smaller :rofl: I have liked those tires so far...

I get that corporations are jumping on the band wagon to make it seem like they aren't part of the problem and keep a target off their backs. But the biggest issue I see with everything today (and this goes for both sides) is that no one can have a differing opinion any longer. If you don't agree, you're obviously 100% against them and want to see them burn. Frustrating. Time for this 2 party crap to end and get 5 major parties that will require parties to genuinely work together to get a majority for legislation. Might actually make politicians do things for the people again rather than for their own self serving interests....probably not, but one can hope right?
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That's an interesting angle on it. I've thought the two party conflict system we have was garbage, but the other option would be a single party dictatorship. Currently any third party candidate can be pretty effectively frozen out, but add in a few more and it may work.
 
TRD270

TRD270

Emptying Pockets Again
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SaSaSandy
4x4_Welder said:
That's an interesting angle on it. I've thought the two party conflict system we have was garbage, but the other option would be a single party dictatorship. Currently any third party candidate can be pretty effectively frozen out, but add in a few more and it may work.
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I think if the democratic party stopped allowing the "progressives" (socialist) run under the guise of democrat they party would look more appealing. They've gone so far off the deep end though they need to pander to these extremists, victimhood mentality cry babies to have any shot of winning. Recent article on KSL got me fired up.

“If Biden and Harris want to energize progressives to donate and volunteer,” Taylor said, “they need to elevate leaders like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Julián Castro, and policies like canceling student debt and Medicare for All. Progressive energy matters, and voter energy matters. We’re fighting Trump as hard as we can right now — just don’t take that for granted.”

That is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. These extremists need to be pushed away and run as what they are socialists. I'd love to see a multiparty system, love a legitimate libertarian candidate.

I'm not republican and i'm not democrat. I am 110% against socialism.

But remember orange man bad
 
UNSTUCK

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
TRD270 said:
I think if the democratic party stopped allowing the "progressives" (socialist) run under the guise of democrat they party would look more appealing. They've gone so far off the deep end though they need to pander to these extremists, victimhood mentality cry babies to have any shot of winning. Recent article on KSL got me fired up.

“If Biden and Harris want to energize progressives to donate and volunteer,” Taylor said, “they need to elevate leaders like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Julián Castro, and policies like canceling student debt and Medicare for All. Progressive energy matters, and voter energy matters. We’re fighting Trump as hard as we can right now — just don’t take that for granted.”

That is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. These extremists need to be pushed away and run as what they are socialists. I'd love to see a multiparty system, love a legitimate libertarian candidate.

I'm not republican and i'm not democrat. I am 110% against socialism.

But remember orange man bad
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That means one of two things:

1. The "Normal" democrat is only voting democrat because they are his "team". No matter what happens he wants them to win. Kind of like being a long time Cleveland Browns season ticket holder.

OR

2. Democrat is synonymous for socialist. One of these days they'll just come out and say it. That day will be the true test for the "normal" democrat.
 
Unimog

Unimog

Eric
Location
Stansbury Park, UT
I can't count on two hands the number of times I've heard how the electorate doesn't feel included in the Democratic Party because they aren't backing forgiveness of all student debt for (insert special minority class of people here). Since when did forgiveness of debt you had incurred be a qualification for inclusion in a party? This bus is out of control...
 
Stephen

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
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Never Far From Nowhere
I found this pretty hilarious:

www.ksl.com

Utah Sen. Derek Kitchen accused of helping pay $10 for paint used by protesters

Legislator being investigated for alleged $10 ‘paint’ donation to woman charged in downtown vandalism.
www.ksl.com www.ksl.com

They painted the street on June 27th, Kitchen made his donation on the 28th and is now claiming that he had no clue that the paint would be used for further vandalism. Suuuuurrrre....
 
DAA

DAA

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West Bountiful, UT
UNSTUCK said:
That means one of two things:

1. The "Normal" democrat is only voting democrat because they are his "team". No matter what happens he wants them to win.
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I think a lot of Republicans vote the same way though. I'm neither Democrat nor Republican either. But honestly, it has been a long time since I voted "for" a President and not actually voted "against" someone else. Like, I'd have voted for just about any human filth the Republicans could have scraped up, rather than Hillary. Didn't matter who it was. I was voting against Hillary. This year, it will be voting against the Californian (Joe is just kind of a stick figure propped up for show, it seems like, it's the Californian that gives me chills).

- DAA
 
nnnnnate

nnnnnate

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Thats an interesting statement Dave, that you're voting against someone more than voting for another. I agree in that sentiment but will be picking the other name on the ballot. Because like @TRD270 likes to remind us "orange man bad."
 
J

J-mobzz

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moab_cj5 said:
If enough people get it out of their head that voting 3rd party is "throwing your vote away," we could actually get Jo Jo elected.
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I’ve voted 3rd party the last 3 elections. I don’t see it as throwing my vote away. While I know the candidate I’m voting for won’t win voting for who I believe in just feels right. Like others part of me wanted to vote against Hillary but I couldn’t bring myself to vote for a man who I didn’t believe shared even close to the same values and morals I have. So I placed my vote on someone who I felt actually cares about people.
 
TRD270

TRD270

Emptying Pockets Again
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SaSaSandy
nnnnnate said:
Thats an interesting statement Dave, that you're voting against someone more than voting for another. I agree in that sentiment but will be picking the other name on the ballot. Because like @TRD270 likes to remind us "orange man bad."
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I say that mostly because that seems to be the theme of the last 4 years. I follow Dave's opinion most of the time as well, and will be the same this year. Not a huge Trump fan but way better option then Kamala Harris next May or June when crooked hilary takes out Puppet Joe.
 
Unimog

Unimog

Eric
Location
Stansbury Park, UT
I don't have any dream that any major political party in the future will front any candidate for president that I can identify with. I have and will continue to vote for whoever I think has a chance of winning and most likely to uphold up the constitution. For now, looks like Trump, as distasteful as that is.

I'm pretty independent and I'd love to see several viable parties. I'm just not sure how to move from where we are now to that position without ceding power in the interim to the new world order.
 
UNSTUCK

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
I didn't know about Jo Jo. Just looked her up.

Q&A for Jo Jorgensen Presidential Campaign

Q&A on subjects submitted for Presidentail Candidate Jo Jorgensen, Libertarian.
jo20.com jo20.com

I agreed with the vast majority of her answers. She seems to be a little too open to drug use for my taste. If she has actual plans for implementing the possible changes she suggests in her Q and A, then I could support her.

I'd really like to try ranked voting. That could really changed election outcomes.
 
moab_cj5

moab_cj5

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The Village of Kay
UNSTUCK said:
I didn't know about Jo Jo. Just looked her up.

Q&A for Jo Jorgensen Presidential Campaign

Q&A on subjects submitted for Presidentail Candidate Jo Jorgensen, Libertarian.
jo20.com jo20.com

I agreed with the vast majority of her answers. She seems to be a little too open to drug use for my taste. If she has actual plans for implementing the possible changes she suggests in her Q and A, then I could support her.

I'd really like to try ranked voting. That could really changed election outcomes.
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I hear ya, and there isn't a perfect candidate, but I sure as hell can support her for a few things I disagree with over 2 candidates I can't stand have have WAY more things I disagree with.
 
Houndoc

Houndoc

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Grantsville
TRD270 said:
I think if the democratic party stopped allowing the "progressives" (socialist) run under the guise of democrat they party would look more appealing. They've gone so far off the deep end though they need to pander to these extremists, victimhood mentality cry babies to have any shot of winning. Recent article on KSL got me fired up.

“If Biden and Harris want to energize progressives to donate and volunteer,” Taylor said, “they need to elevate leaders like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Julián Castro, and policies like canceling student debt and Medicare for All. Progressive energy matters, and voter energy matters. We’re fighting Trump as hard as we can right now — just don’t take that for granted.”

That is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. These extremists need to be pushed away and run as what they are socialists. I'd love to see a multiparty system, love a legitimate libertarian candidate.

I'm not republican and i'm not democrat. I am 110% against socialism.

But remember orange man bad
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Voters actually forced the Democrats to the middle this year by selecting Biden over the far left side of the party. Even the idea of 'elevating' people like Ocasio-Cortez wasn't played out when she was only given 60 seconds to talk at the DNC this week (at Bernie's invitation.)

But I do agree that much of our problems as far as dysfunctional government is caused by the parties catering to their fringes.

With Republicans it began with the Tea Party and has been made even worse in the Trump-era. Moderate GOP Senators such as Jeff Flake chose to leave office rather than face a primary challenge based on his refusal to back Trump.
 
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