Rubicon Trail, Sept 5-8 2012

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
I decided if I couldn't make the trip, at least I could begin the official thread and post the few photos I have. I know the others will have many photos of their own to add when they get back home.

In the end, we didn't all travel together in one huge caravan. However, three vehicles did show up at Cabelas bright and early per Steve's original plan:

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I was initially alarmed at the large puddle under Billy's Jeep. He had performed many last-minute repairs and upgrades the day before, one of them being the installation of a new radiator. One of the hoses was leaking a bit, so he adjusted it while he was waiting for us to arrive. This was the cause of the puddle, and his vehicle wouldn't leak another drop of coolant the rest of the day (as far as I saw, anyway).

A bit later than planned, we all finally hit the road. There was some commute traffic to deal with in Salt Lake, of course, but by the time we hit I-80 it was open road and smooth sailing. About 55 miles shy of the Nevada border is a desolate rest area, and we decided to make a quick pit stop.

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Billy opened the hood to look things over, but gave no indication that anything was amiss. This was actually an omen. None of us knew it at the moment, but it wouldn't be the last time he had to open the hood today.

Anyway, we soon got back on the road. The wide open nothingness made me chuckle. Even my GPS had no offerings of encouragement, merely pointing out that ahead of me was only, well, Ahead.

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At the pit stop, a couple of Billy's kids decided they wanted to keep Fender company in the back of the truck.

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They were having a fun time waving at the cars that passed us. This turned out to be virtually every other westbound vehicle, as we settled into a 65 MPH pace. Even with my soft upper doors in place, this was plenty noisy for me so I certainly wasn't pushing us to go any faster. Nobody else was complaining, either. At our first fuel stop in Wendover, Billy reported an observed 10 mpg fuel consumption. I felt guilty about my own 16.5 mpg, so I said nothing to him in return. I asked Steve how his four banger does, and he said it would be about 19 mpg under these conditions (though he wasn't calculating it at this time).

Now that we were in Nevada, things started to unravel. The ambient temperature was rising, and so was the coolant temp in Billy's Jeep. It went from running a little warm to running a lot warm to sputtering out entirely, causing him to coast to a stop at the side of the road. (I have no photos of this, but Steve sure will--his wife was snapping photos at a rate that would make a paparazzi blush.) At first, Billy thought his fuel pump was getting weak... so he crawled underneath and swapped in his spare. Fifteen minutes later, his Jeep fired right up and all seemed well, so we hit the road again.

A short distance later, it again sputtered out and he coasted to a stop. Still thinking it was a fuel issue, we decided to see if the filter was to blame. Between our three vehicles, we managed to come up with one classic Bic pen. It was stripped to its plastic shell and we installed it in place of the fuel filter.

While we were doing this, Steve got a call from Brett who was a short distance in front of us. One of the leaf springs on his trailer had broken, and the broken spring soon caused collateral damage and destroyed one of the trailer's tires. This was a good thing, actually: were it not for the flying tire shrapnel that caught his eye in his mirror, Brett would have continued driving blissfully unaware until some serious catastrophe had occurred. Brett had unloaded his Jeep, patched up the trailer enough for it to be pulled on only three wheels, and was now sitting still waiting for us to catch up to him so our lone spare adult could become another driver, thus getting all the vehicles off the highway and to the next town (Wells). Once we were done with our Bic repair, the Jeep again fired up and off we went.

Again, we didn't get very far. Brett was perhaps 3/4 of the way up the next pass and we were at the bottom of it... but Billy's Jeep did not like climbing any hills--no matter how slight--and would quickly overheat in protest. I radioed Steve and told him to go on ahead to find Brett, while I would stay back at the side of the road with Billy.

We eventually caught up with Brett. After a quick game of musical drivers, every vehicle had a pilot and we all headed to Wells. At least one of us made it without having to stop along the way (I think), but for others this took longer than expected. We did all manage to get there, and then the big miracle happened: Brett walked into a tiny NAPA and discovered they had the correct trailer spring for his application in stock. Even better, across town was a Les Schwab who would be happy to help install it. So now we all headed across town to get him patched up.

Clearly we were lavishing lots of attention on select vehicles in our group, while the others were being completely ignored. My Wrangler apparently became bitterly jealous, and while on the way to Les Schwab my clutch began to give out. It wasn't slipping; however, it would not disengage when I pressed the pedal. In the LS parking lot I opened the hood to check for obvious things (fluid level, leak, etc) but there was no outward indication of failure. I called ahead to Elko and found a shop who was willing to look at it, but they were 50 miles away to the west and it was already 2pm... so I decided to head out on my own and see if I might luck out.

As you all know by now, luck was not on my side. My throwout bearing was coming apart, so I decided to stay in town and have it repaired before it caused other collateral damage. I bowed out of the trip and sent the others on to have fun. Here is how my Jeep spent the night and the next morning:

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So that's my contribution to the story of this trip. Others can take it from here.
 

Bart

Registered User
Location
Arm Utah
Thanks for the beginning of the report and bummer you couldn't make it. What time were you fixed the next day? Was there any inclination of pressing on and catching the crew? Just curious.
 

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
What time were you fixed the next day?

They started working on it first thing, but it wasn't completely finished until 1:30pm local time.

Was there any inclination of pressing on and catching the crew? Just curious.

No such luck. Here's why: When it was done, the clutch did work. The pedal was very soft compared to before, and you had to press it all the way to the floor for it to disengage, but I figured those were both results from replacing everything. So I shrugged it off and hit the highway for home. About 20 miles before Wendover, there was a pass with a steep hill which, combined with the wind, made me lose speed. I went to downshift to fourth, only to learn that the clutch was no longer working. It only took a few seconds for reality to sink in, but by that time I had lost a lot of momentum; I eventually managed to clutchlessly get it into third gear. From then on, that's how I had to drive it. I did stop in Wendover to top off my tank; I also took another peek underhood but saw nothing amiss. From there I went straight to the dealership and parked it. It'll be here until we can diagnose the hydraulic system next week.

(sigh)

Now I'm really wishing I had already done the automatic conversion I've been wanting to do.
 

TJDukit

I.Y.A.A.Y.A.S.
Location
Clearfield
Made it off the trail everyone is in one piece. Camping tonight at miller lake and tomorrow we will go our separate ways.

It was a great trip. Pictures and videos to come.
 

jentzschman

Well-Known Member
Location
Sandy, Utah
Dang Dempsey, that is a bummer. Sorry to hear it all hit you at once. Glad you were at least able to make it home alright.

Also glad to hear that everyone mad it through the trail. Looking forward to the pics and vids.
 

jeep-N-montero

Formerly black_ZJ
Location
Bountiful
They started working on it first thing, but it wasn't completely finished until 1:30pm local time.



No such luck. Here's why: When it was done, the clutch did work. The pedal was very soft compared to before, and you had to press it all the way to the floor for it to disengage, but I figured those were both results from replacing everything. So I shrugged it off and hit the highway for home. About 20 miles before Wendover, there was a pass with a steep hill which, combined with the wind, made me lose speed. I went to downshift to fourth, only to learn that the clutch was no longer working. It only took a few seconds for reality to sink in, but by that time I had lost a lot of momentum; I eventually managed to clutchlessly get it into third gear. From then on, that's how I had to drive it. I did stop in Wendover to top off my tank; I also took another peek underhood but saw nothing amiss. From there I went straight to the dealership and parked it. It'll be here until we can diagnose the hydraulic system next week.

(sigh)

Now I'm really wishing I had already done the automatic conversion I've been wanting to do.

Almost sounds like the slave cylinder, do you know if they bled the line correctly after installing the new throw-out bearing? I know on my Mazdas(I have owned 5 Miatas) that anytime you upgrade one component in the clutch system that the slave is soon to crap out due to the increased effort put on it by the new component. I have had to drive them more than a few times without a clutch and got pretty good at rev matching to limp them home, once I even had to replace the slave cylinder in a parking lot in Illinois on a road trip in August humidity.
 

RockChucker

Well-Known Member
Location
Highland
Almost sounds like the slave cylinder, do you know if they bled the line correctly after installing the new throw-out bearing? I know on my Mazdas(I have owned 5 Miatas) that anytime you upgrade one component in the clutch system that the slave is soon to crap out due to the increased effort put on it by the new component. I have had to drive them more than a few times without a clutch and got pretty good at rev matching to limp them home, once I even had to replace the slave cylinder in a parking lot in Illinois on a road trip in August humidity.

Tj's use a sealed system. They are impossible to bleed. You have to replace the master and slave at the same time. Just another way for Jeep to make cheap parts and charge a bunch more when you have to replace them
 

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
Tj's use a sealed system. They are impossible to bleed. You have to replace the master and slave at the same time.

That is how Chrysler sells the hydraulic setup, yes--it is one complete system. If you go aftermarket, however, you can buy each cylinder individually.

We've made plans to inspect it next week. I've got other vehicles to drive in the mean time, so I don't mind it sitting until then.
 

zukijames

Well-Known Member
Location
not moab anymore
you can bleed it .. its just alot more work and requires more than just a wrench.

i gave up on the dodge and will be dropping it off tomorrow night at gears for new clutch , new slave/master , rear main seal
 

sixstringsteve

Well-Known Member
Location
UT
My wife, Fender, and I made it home safe and sound with zero issues. I'll sort through my 1500 pictures tomorrow and pick the best ones to add. I'll put a video together sometime in the next few months...
 

jentzschman

Well-Known Member
Location
Sandy, Utah
My wife, Fender, and I made it home safe and sound with zero issues. I'll sort through my 1500 pictures tomorrow and pick the best ones to add. I'll put a video together sometime in the next few months...

Next few months for the vid! o_O lol

I know, you take your time with those, and its worth it. They look great. 1500 pics is a ton man! So looking forward to these.
ps, welcome back!
 

Omgbecki

Well-Known Member
Location
Ogden
That is too bad, Dempsey. I would be lying if I didn't say that I had my own selfish ambition for following your jeep specifically. Hopefully you can get it solved without having to sell a limb or two and we can meet up back on some local trails. Even though it's not the same :(



How did the yota do, Steve? I'm sure a trail like that would really tell you if a build was done or not. I would guess it did great.
 

sixstringsteve

Well-Known Member
Location
UT
How did the yota do, Steve? I'm sure a trail like that would really tell you if a build was done or not. I would guess it did great.

It did awesome. I only needed a strap once (since I chose the harder line), and a spotter a handful of times. The trail wasn't hard at all in my opinion. I'm sure a good driver could get a yota on 31's and rear locker and 4:1 through there no problem. The shorter wheelbase rigs had the advantage on this trail. Cadillac hill was the only real challenge on the trail.
 
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