Safety Inspection laws *new and improved"

[GOAT]

No, I'm not any type of elected or appointed representative of the 4x4 community. But, we are both representing the 4x4 community every time we are in view of the public with our rig or participating in our hobby.

We have represented ourselves during the last three NPLDs, unofficial cleanups, are donating members to the 4x4 ORGS and write for the compass. Am I worthy enough to b***h on a friggin 4x4 board? Good god, get off you soapbox already. This is what is so tiresome about this hobby.


Strange that the same guy who says we should require a big pink wiener on the roofs of our trucks to pass safety inspection ends up calling me melodramatic. Strange indeed.

The was a joke, maybe I should have put a smiley face to help illustrate that. Your avatar says "big member". I can only assume you might enjoy having a large penis on the roof of your car.



That's true. I may be a 4x4 hating SUWA agent trying to give you sound advice about humbly obeying the law.

Dissent, I can have it.You have definitely taken the high road on your avatar BTW.


Recommending you quit publicly whining is not throwing out insults. Calling you a moron, however, would be. Try to find one insult in my post. Also, thanks for your restraint and maturity in not throwing insults yourself.

Easy kitten. When you say "grow a pair" and "be a man" I take that a little differently than you may. Other than the internet, I doubt this is something you would be so bold as to say to a stranger. We'll see.


I am dealing with it. At your request, I responded further. I "tried harder".

Until you write back,



Jared

Lastly, I do remember you now. You kept trying to hang around our group on hells revenge.

WTF are your flares, mudflaps front bumper and plate? CLEARLY your former hooptie was not compliant with the law. Did you have trouble? It must have been difficult trying to do so on a budget. You had plates on when these photos were taken and I can assume it was your DD. You're misrepresenting THE ENTIRE 4x4 community by posting your self righteous BS on this thread. Figures that someone with your attitude doesn't practice what they e-preach.

My truck passed safety, you're a punk, and I'm done E-arguing with you.

 

[spencevans]

Not sure how your interpreting tread width versus tire width? The flares in deed must cover the "tires", it doesn't read "tire tread" do tell.

Kurt,


Follow the link in the PDF to the 2009-2010 Public Safety Manual. It states that flares must cover the "tread" in atleast two seperate locations. These two locations are pages 19 and 33. To help avoid confusion use the page numbers at the bottom right corner of the manual instead of going by those on the PDF, the PDF page numbers do not coincide with those in the manual. I hope this helps.


2009-2010 Manual
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/docs/2009-2010%20SI%20PLT%20ManuaL.pdf

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Kurt,


Follow the link in the PDF to the 2009-2010 Public Safety Manual. It states that flares must cover the "tread" in atleast two seperate locations. These two locations are pages 19 and 33. To help avoid confusion use the page numbers at the bottom right corner of the manual instead of going by those on the PDF, the PDF page numbers do not coincide with those in the manual. I hope this helps.


2009-2010 Manual
http://publicsafety.utah.gov/safetyinspections/docs/2009-2010%20SI%20PLT%20ManuaL.pdf

Hmmm, apparently another case where the manual doesn't relate to the laws that actually shape them. I based all my comments on the Utah State Code and Laws, specifically the Motor Vehicle Code. It never mentioned tread, rather tire width in regards to both flares and flaps. Regardless, there are few common 4x4 tires that don't have tread width nearly equal to that of the tire width.

 

[spencevans]

Hmmm, apparently another case where the manual doesn't relate to the laws that actually shape them. I based all my comments on the Utah State Code and Laws, specifically the Motor Vehicle Code. It never mentioned tread, rather tire width in regards to both flares and flaps. Regardless, there are few common 4x4 tires that don't have tread width nearly equal to that of the tire width.

Yeah, I run the stock 2008 Jeep Rubicon wheels and the OEM BFG 255/75/17's KM's on my truck and they stick out 1.5" past the tread.

On my Landcruiser I run the BFG KO 285's on stock wheels and the tire only pertrudes about 1" past the tread.

Every tire is a little different, but what it comes down to is I can get away with much smaller flares. An 1.5" may not seem like much but when you glass your own flares it's alot.:greg:

 

[cruiseroutfit]

...Every tire is a little different, but what it comes down to is I can get away with much smaller flares. An 1.5" may not seem like much but when you glass your own flares it's alot.:greg:

Problem is, they write tickets based on laws, they pass/fail inspections based on the manual. So just because it passes the day of the inspection, doesn't mean you won't every get a ticket. Though just like the beadlock situation, one would have a good court case to press the issue.

FWIW my full inflatd GY MTR's and Maxxis Bighorns only have mabey 1/2" of "tire" extending past the tread.

 

[Kiel]

Nice lol, what happened to the pics?

 

[Coco]

Yup, chevys and fords (the ones I have seen) once they are lifted, the tires stick roughly (depending on your wheel offset) anywhere from 1/4 of the tire outside of the body too 1/2

 

[jeepers]

one thing i dont get is if you look at a mud flap and a tire. when ur doin 70 plus down the highway a rock just dont shoot strait out of a tire an into a window its not possible if a rock falls out of ur tire it hit the gound at 70 and bounces on the road and up into someones window. i duuno maybe im wrong but for a mud flap to really work right it would have to hit the ground like i said before it big rigs that are cracking windows not some poor guy with a rig . i work in a shop and every driver has been writin up for a rock hitin some old laidys car window so tell me how are mud flaps really working ? its just another way for the state to make money off us ppl. ive never once had someone with a lifted rig flip a rock at me maybe its luck i dont know. but i was on the freeway the other day an sure enough a big rig was flipin rocks hmmm

 

[jeepers]

and with lift laws thats a total crock of **** if you wanna have 12in lift on something then why not its not hurting know one yeah sure it maybe kinda scarey on the road driven but dont drive like an idiot. and tires bein to far past the wheel weels so what what does that hurt ? why can these little rice grinders peaceses of junk have half of a body kit and a goddy sounding fart pipe and a choped suspention why arnt they getin busted ? besides there up to no good anyway. i hate them dam rice rockits total waist of space grr sorry im on one now UHP SUCKS when there not in there little blue suts there nothin

 

[peckertrax]

[QUOTE UHP SUCKS when there not in there little blue suts there nothin[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, last I knew, the UHP was wearing little brown suits .







BTW, speel cheeker wel b yur best frind. Just FYI.

 

[STAG]

the front of Chevys are about 4 inches more wide than the rear

Yup, chevys and fords (the ones I have seen) once they are lifted, the tires stick roughly (depending on your wheel offset) anywhere from 1/4 of the tire outside of the body too 1/2

fwiw iirc RoughCountry's Chevy IFS lift kits claim to not change the front track width of the tires...

 

[Jesser04]

I will believe it when I see it. I dare say that they come that way factory.

 

[kake]

fwiw iirc RoughCountry's Chevy IFS lift kits claim to not change the front track width of the tires...

Its not the lift, its the backspacing of the afermarket wheels which almost always comes hand in hand with a lift--how many people lift a truck and keep the stockers on it? Anyone with an IFS Chevy truck that has shopped for wheels knows exactly what I am talking about.

The funny thing is, just as I was b*tching about lifted trucks usually getting a pass, I was on my way home from class the other night and saw a lifted Super Duty pulled over without mud flaps. He was probably speeding but I'll bet he got a ticket for his mud flaps too.

So I have started paying attention to this mudflap deal and counting how many trucks have bigger than stock tires and no mud flaps. I lost count. Even my little Tundra with 33's came with mud flaps from the factory.

Picking on Super Dutys Fords now (as those seemed to be very common on the road). How many Super Dutys retain the stock wheels and tires--not many. I don't believe that they come from the factory with mud flaps (except for maybe the newer ones). Add these two facts together and you see my point about UHP letting them go as being just normal/common. Could be a changin though as a add-on ticket.

 

[Jesser04]

Your right it's not the lift it's the truck! The backspacing isn't the problem either the backspacing does make them stick out more but it doesn't explain why the front is 4 inches wider than the rear.

 

[Cherokeester]

and with lift laws thats a total crock of **** if you wanna have 12in lift on something then why not its not hurting know one yeah sure it maybe kinda scarey on the road driven but dont drive like an idiot. and tires bein to far past the wheel weels so what what does that hurt ? why can these little rice grinders peaceses of junk have half of a body kit and a goddy sounding fart pipe and a choped suspention why arnt they getin busted ? besides there up to no good anyway. i hate them dam rice rockits total waist of space grr sorry im on one now UHP SUCKS when there not in there little blue suts there nothin

I wasn't going to post on this thread but, this post is priceless!

 

[cruiseroutfit]

and with lift laws thats a total crock of **** if you wanna have 12in lift on something then why not its not hurting know one yeah...

Sure, they are not hurting anyone when they are driving. But in the case of accident you would be an idiot to assume they are not a more lethal vehicle. I'm all for lifts/suspensions, hell I make a living selling the things. But I'm not ignorant enough to think they are not a more dangerous vehicle when involved in an accident with a small car, pedestrian, motorcycle, etc. When I'm riding my bike or my wifes Scion, I wold 10x rather be rear ended by a stock height truck than a 12" lifted truck, no brainer. Additionally the potential for accident is greatly increased with a lifted vehicle, COG, blind spots, rolling mass, etc. Again, no brainer and week argument.

 

[Houndoc]

Sorry, not going to read all 7 pages......but I must ask one simple question.

Why the big hang-up against having mud flaps?

I can't believe how often this rant comes up.

I honesly don't see what the big deal is. And after noting the paint chips on my Ram rear panel, I am thinking they would be a pretty good idea anyway.

 

[spencevans]

Sure, they are not hurting anyone when they are driving. But in the case of accident you would be an idiot to assume they are not a more lethal vehicle. I'm all for lifts/suspensions, hell I make a living selling the things. But I'm not ignorant enough to think they are not a more dangerous vehicle when involved in an accident with a small car, pedestrian, motorcycle, etc. When I'm riding my bike or my wifes Scion, I wold 10x rather be rear ended by a stock height truck than a 12" lifted truck, no brainer. Additionally the potential for accident is greatly increased with a lifted vehicle, COG, blind spots, rolling mass, etc. Again, no brainer and week argument.

I 100% agree with you Kurt. The most common safety hazzard I see on lifted vehicles is inadequate brakes. Once you lift a vehicle and add some big rubber the brakes are no longer adequate for stopping those big tires.

 

[Tacoma]

Somewhere I've got a picture of a 10-12" lifted Chevy that someone hit head-on... truck kept going, right into the windshield, front axle and springs stayed in front of the car.

 

[rondo]

I for one commute to and from Toowilly daily and it's every day some blowhole in his giant "Ford Stupidduty" or "Dodge Spank Wagon" or "Chev 1ton4fun" on 37s with 20' spinners and new wax job blows past everybody flying low at 90mph+. My windshield has been wacked by rocks by the same said jacka$$ who was too lazeee to put on flares or adequate flaps. Oh and i love looking in my rearview to see nothin' but bumper, because the douchebag with his goateee thinks he needs to drive close enough to pee on people 'cause it'll get him to the coal mine faster.

I for one am not a big fan of ricers in their lowered Hondas, and maybe i don't notice 'em enough but it seems like it's the big rigs that are the true pricks on the road. Well they share the 99+ mph club with middle age housewife beotches who are putting on makeup and yakkin' on their cell phones too.