Capt. Picky
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- Location
- Moab, UT.
Although the die has already been cast, there are some other things to be thought about regardless of the ultimate outcome of things:
Whatever number of trails which will remain open for use, one should take utmost care to use them wisely and preserve them for the use of future generations. (sound familiar?)
Many will claim this place (wherever it may be) is beautiful; then treat it in a manner consistent with that which is beautiful. Refrain from sullying that beauty, otherwise one would be behaving in a hypocrytical manner.
If you don't give a darn about what it looks like and are "just there for a good time; not a long time", than be up-front enough to admit that. Please don't cower beneath the skirt of the "It's beautiful, and you're wanting to take that away from us, and lock us out of our trails".
Although this 4x4 forum - which while is fairly balanced in types of four wheeling 'supported' - is one which might have added appeal for RockCrawlers, one should remember that access to many Rockcrawling areas might possibly (likely) be accessed by any number of ordinary non-descript roads or trails. These trails are open for use by all means of conveyance. That includes ATV's, Motorcycles, bicycles, Horses, and who knows what else. My point is that unless *all* users exercise care, the future use of these roads and trails may be further curtailed. Therefore, it's incumbent upon all 4x4 enthusiasts to be alert to poor behavior by those who use all other means of accessing and using these trails, whatever their choice of conveyance or recreation. One should advise those who would be 'inconsiderate' as to the potential consequences for the entire enthusiast group as a whole, as well as the consequences for the perpetrator if and when reported and having conclusive incontrovertible evidence to back that up.
Now some food for thought. If someone can offer plausible explanations I'd be most appreciative to be enlightened about these things.
Why is it I see so many shortcuts on trails of the most benign and non-challenging nature at locations which have absolutely nothing to stop a rig with even 3" ground clearance?
Why is it I see shortcuts TO the shortcuts in the same said places?
Why is it that some would cry "You're taking away our trails. We have so few trails to use. Why are you denying the public access to these trails?"
Why is it that those who shortcut trails might also complain there aren't enough trails to do? (What I'm implying is that if something is fun and "so good", why would you want to rush it; to make it shorter? This might not be the exact proper forum for this, but WTH; these same people probably have never heard of, or enjoy "fore-play" either.
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Why is it that those who would shortcut trails might be the very same ones to ask these aforementioned questions in a vociferous manner?
Why is it that if one is in a broad, sandy dry-washbottom of some 25 feet wide, one sees ATV and Motorcycle tracks (mostly) which weave from sideboard to sideboard, yet conversely, when in a narrow somewhat constricted washbottom of some 3 to 5 feet wide, the same said vehicles don't conform to the twists and bends of the washbottom, but rather try to continue in as straighforward a line as is possible?
Why are ATV's called all terrain vehicles when, if it get's a little bit tippy or bumpy (Fins and things for one such example) they need to find the least tippy bumpy section by riding on the side of a trail or making a new 'less spooky' (?) bypass?
Why is it that when on a trail of some considerable difficulty at either end of a given section of trail, one finds numerous bypasses which skirt some non-obstacle relative to those which had to be already encountered to get to the sections in question?
Why is it that when the RR4W (supported by the BLM) block some newly created bypass of *No Interest* (which isn't the actual criteria about bypasses anyway), one returns three days later and discovers that the blocked bypass now has a bypass circumventing the blocked bypass?
Why is it that some would ride on dirt and plants which had heretofore never been driven upon when a perfectly valid and viable route on slickrock exists and has always been existing right within one's view?
Why is it, as Cody has written in this forum, that someone would try to do a trail or obstacle which is beyond their ability and/or equipment; then do some other line (non-original) or create a 'new line' and then come back to town/bar/ campsite and say "I just did the Dump-Bump" (or whatever it may be)? Such was the case when the Dump-Bump had but one line - where the sandstone fin was obviously gouged by a piece of roadbuilding equipment, yet one discovered newly created lines/bypasses to the right and left of the actual obstacle. RR4W found that this route was no longer generally viable for most all of the vehicles of the day and eventually the route now officially recognized as the start of Hells Revenge (less the Creek crossing and Potato Salad Hill) was created to enable continued access to the Hells Revenge trail.
So, if you go to the "Dump-Bump" or wherever, do the actual line and route, or don't do it at all. Basically a case of the small pups wanting to run with the big-dogs and not being able to do so, but still wanting 'bragging rights'.
Why is it that every time I take a trail of well established and marked routes around here in Moab, I am guaranteed to see some brand new route each and every time without fail?
Why do I see that the trails which are of established ease or difficulty are seemingly never satisfactory? That an obstacle that is exactly what it is is 'not tough enough'; and the non-obstacle is "too tough"?
Why is it that at the very onset of a given trail, I see a bypass at the very first "obstacle"? Do those who create that bypass believe it will be easier later on down the road? That this first encountered obstacle is the only one, and after that it's' clear-sailing' the entire way? (Poison Spider Mesa comes to mind)
This is but a partial list of questions and things which I find both baffling as well as troubling. Any answers to these and what can be done about them would be welcomed. I won't even get into Easter Jeep Safari Issues that I find equally puzzling and vexing.
Capt. Picky
Whatever number of trails which will remain open for use, one should take utmost care to use them wisely and preserve them for the use of future generations. (sound familiar?)
Many will claim this place (wherever it may be) is beautiful; then treat it in a manner consistent with that which is beautiful. Refrain from sullying that beauty, otherwise one would be behaving in a hypocrytical manner.
If you don't give a darn about what it looks like and are "just there for a good time; not a long time", than be up-front enough to admit that. Please don't cower beneath the skirt of the "It's beautiful, and you're wanting to take that away from us, and lock us out of our trails".
Although this 4x4 forum - which while is fairly balanced in types of four wheeling 'supported' - is one which might have added appeal for RockCrawlers, one should remember that access to many Rockcrawling areas might possibly (likely) be accessed by any number of ordinary non-descript roads or trails. These trails are open for use by all means of conveyance. That includes ATV's, Motorcycles, bicycles, Horses, and who knows what else. My point is that unless *all* users exercise care, the future use of these roads and trails may be further curtailed. Therefore, it's incumbent upon all 4x4 enthusiasts to be alert to poor behavior by those who use all other means of accessing and using these trails, whatever their choice of conveyance or recreation. One should advise those who would be 'inconsiderate' as to the potential consequences for the entire enthusiast group as a whole, as well as the consequences for the perpetrator if and when reported and having conclusive incontrovertible evidence to back that up.
Now some food for thought. If someone can offer plausible explanations I'd be most appreciative to be enlightened about these things.
Why is it I see so many shortcuts on trails of the most benign and non-challenging nature at locations which have absolutely nothing to stop a rig with even 3" ground clearance?
Why is it I see shortcuts TO the shortcuts in the same said places?
Why is it that some would cry "You're taking away our trails. We have so few trails to use. Why are you denying the public access to these trails?"
Why is it that those who shortcut trails might also complain there aren't enough trails to do? (What I'm implying is that if something is fun and "so good", why would you want to rush it; to make it shorter? This might not be the exact proper forum for this, but WTH; these same people probably have never heard of, or enjoy "fore-play" either.
)Why is it that those who would shortcut trails might be the very same ones to ask these aforementioned questions in a vociferous manner?
Why is it that if one is in a broad, sandy dry-washbottom of some 25 feet wide, one sees ATV and Motorcycle tracks (mostly) which weave from sideboard to sideboard, yet conversely, when in a narrow somewhat constricted washbottom of some 3 to 5 feet wide, the same said vehicles don't conform to the twists and bends of the washbottom, but rather try to continue in as straighforward a line as is possible?
Why are ATV's called all terrain vehicles when, if it get's a little bit tippy or bumpy (Fins and things for one such example) they need to find the least tippy bumpy section by riding on the side of a trail or making a new 'less spooky' (?) bypass?
Why is it that when on a trail of some considerable difficulty at either end of a given section of trail, one finds numerous bypasses which skirt some non-obstacle relative to those which had to be already encountered to get to the sections in question?
Why is it that when the RR4W (supported by the BLM) block some newly created bypass of *No Interest* (which isn't the actual criteria about bypasses anyway), one returns three days later and discovers that the blocked bypass now has a bypass circumventing the blocked bypass?
Why is it that some would ride on dirt and plants which had heretofore never been driven upon when a perfectly valid and viable route on slickrock exists and has always been existing right within one's view?
Why is it, as Cody has written in this forum, that someone would try to do a trail or obstacle which is beyond their ability and/or equipment; then do some other line (non-original) or create a 'new line' and then come back to town/bar/ campsite and say "I just did the Dump-Bump" (or whatever it may be)? Such was the case when the Dump-Bump had but one line - where the sandstone fin was obviously gouged by a piece of roadbuilding equipment, yet one discovered newly created lines/bypasses to the right and left of the actual obstacle. RR4W found that this route was no longer generally viable for most all of the vehicles of the day and eventually the route now officially recognized as the start of Hells Revenge (less the Creek crossing and Potato Salad Hill) was created to enable continued access to the Hells Revenge trail.
So, if you go to the "Dump-Bump" or wherever, do the actual line and route, or don't do it at all. Basically a case of the small pups wanting to run with the big-dogs and not being able to do so, but still wanting 'bragging rights'.
Why is it that every time I take a trail of well established and marked routes around here in Moab, I am guaranteed to see some brand new route each and every time without fail?
Why do I see that the trails which are of established ease or difficulty are seemingly never satisfactory? That an obstacle that is exactly what it is is 'not tough enough'; and the non-obstacle is "too tough"?
Why is it that at the very onset of a given trail, I see a bypass at the very first "obstacle"? Do those who create that bypass believe it will be easier later on down the road? That this first encountered obstacle is the only one, and after that it's' clear-sailing' the entire way? (Poison Spider Mesa comes to mind)
This is but a partial list of questions and things which I find both baffling as well as troubling. Any answers to these and what can be done about them would be welcomed. I won't even get into Easter Jeep Safari Issues that I find equally puzzling and vexing.
Capt. Picky
