The Death of Chrysler

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
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As many of you are well aware, Chrysler is as good as dead. Cerberus has been looking to divest themselves of the failing company for at least a year now. The proposed merger with GM is toast now that the Fed's have said they won't back GM and GM doesn't have the capital to go it alone (seeing as they are heading for Chapter 11 anyway). So what does this mean for the most important part of Chrysler, Jeep?
I see Chrysler entering Chapter 7 (liquidation) as early as next week but no later than mid-December. Once they enter C7 every part of the company will be up for grabs. Jeep is by far their most valuable brand, with the Wrangler being Jeeps most important product. Several companies have expressed interest in purchasing Jeep from Chrysler in the past year, Tata, Mahindra & Mahindra and Renault/Nissan.
My personal preference is that Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) purchase Jeep. My reason being that M&M only builds SUV's and used to be the manufacturer of Jeeps in India. Additionally, with India's rising status and economic power, Jeep might be well suited by being owned by an Indian company. And finally, with Tata's purchase of Land Rover, a M&M owned Jeep might lead to some brand rivalry which could produce better products from each.
That being said, M&M has no market presence in the US. This is a problem with the coming higher CAFE standards. Jeep doesn't have the MPG's to stand on its own in the US market. So tying it to M&M might be a bad deal. Thus Renault/Nissan (R/N) might be the better option. Nissan already has a strong market presence in the US, and reasonable fuel ratings for its vehicles. If R/N were to purchase Jeep, its fuel ratings would be rolled in with Nissan. And if Renault decided to reenter the US market, then all the better. Additionally, R/N has manufacturing and dealer capacity on three continents already, by adding Jeep to that mix it would bolster its capacity even more.
An R/N owned Jeep probably makes the most sense, but we will have to see how the cards fall. Regardless, the death of Chrysler means big changes in the US auto market. My only hope is that Jeep makes it out relatively unscathed.
What does everyone else think?
 

GOAT

Back from the beyond
Location
Roanoke, VA
I guess that 2.99 gas incentive wasn't a good deal after all:rofl:

It sucks either way, but Chrysler had it coming. They, like Ford and GM relied too much on SUVs and trucks that fell off the map six months ago (now the SUVs are the most popular items at auctions. Cant give compact cars away) and took major losses because of it. Unlike ford and GM they never ventured outside the US and that really hit them harder than the rest.

Feel bad for all the employees of plants, suppliers, and local dealers that will be in dire straights soon.
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
Considering Renault tried to save AMC twenty plus years ago, it might seem deja vu like for Renault to step up again. Nissan was struggling in this country when renault hlped them out and Nissan products improved immensely.

Not knowing what Renault might have for powertrains, Nissan's v6s and their V8s are now topnotch. I think the V6 in the Pathfinder would be a good fit for the any current Jeep platform, though I really only see the Wrangler survivng, MAYBE the Patriot, but not likely.

On the other hand, it might have been interesting to see Hummer and Jeep influence each other... Perhaps Ford has half a chance at saving Jeep, but I doubt it.
 

Crinco

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Heber
So what happens to all the people who own Chryslers like Sami just bought? When Chrysler goes under, car owners loose their warrenties too, right? So much for 100,000 mile bumper to bumper....
And what about Dodge, are they going down too?
 

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
Jeep has a long glorious history of surviving incompetent ownership. I don't know why being owned by GM would be any different.
 

gijohn40

too poor to wheel... :(
Location
Layton, Utah
I would just hate to see another American Icon become owned by a outside company.... like Budweiser... or did that deal fall thru to?
 

spencurai

Purple Burglar Alarm
Location
WVC,UT
I would just hate to see another American Icon become owned by a outside company.... like Budweiser... or did that deal fall thru to?
Well as stated above Tata, an Indian company, owns Land Rover...they also acquired Jaguar. Imagine how the Brits feel knowing they don't have many domestic car companies owned by Brits anymore...That is the nature of things, the outsourcing of not only jobs but entire brands these days.
 

Stephen

Who Dares Wins
Moderator
So what happens to all the people who own Chryslers like Sami just bought? When Chrysler goes under, car owners loose their warrenties too, right? So much for 100,000 mile bumper to bumper....
And what about Dodge, are they going down too?
Well, that is something that would be determined by the courts. I think that there is a possibility that the warranties could be picked up by new owners, but technically during a liquidation sale, they don't have to.
According to many reports the only part of Dodge that would survive would be the Ram line. Nissan is interested in picking up the manufacturing facilities (mostly located in Mexico). This makes sense because the new Titan was just going to be a rebadged Ram anyway.
Another company would probably be interested in picking up some of the parts manufacturing capacity, there are big bucks to be made there. All of the Chrysler vehicles on the road today will still need parts support in the future.

I would just hate to see another American Icon become owned by a outside company.... like Budweiser... or did that deal fall thru to?

InBev now owns Budweiser, and probably for the better.
Did you forget that Daimler owned Chrysler for about a decade? Also, most US car manufactures build their cars outside the US, while companies like Toyota and Honda build a high percentage of their NA market cars in the US. Kinda blurs the lines a bit.
We live in a global economy and if American firms get bought up by foreign interest and as a result I, as a consumer, get a better product then I say good.
The Big 3 have seen this day coming for decades, had they been smart about it they could have turned things around. They didn't, and now Chrysler is dead, GM is a walking corpse and Ford is hanging on by the skin of its teeth (mostly by planning on importing European designs to the US).
 

jsudar

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Location
Cedar Hills
Glad to see Chrysler gone. They haven't made anything worth owning since the 70's. The last jeep I owned was a 55 Willys Wagon-- definitely not a Chrysler product.

Now maybe we can get Ford to put CTD's in their light duty trucks to make up for the Powerstroke debacle.
 
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