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I worked for Toyota for many years and I can tell you that the rabbit hole runs deep.... that's why I had to change my name and move to UT after I left.
4554x4
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I think that i'm begining to get it. This is a marketing scheme? I think he needs to rethink his strategy.
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d-nozzle grease?
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I think this is a nice way to say he needs to pull his head out of his ass...
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The special grease will make that job easier.
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This thread really is.... What I though it was about... 
I need a popcorn smiley again
I need a popcorn smiley again
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Tranny Frank
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This was taken from post 28 on the very first thread when I met Kurt, it has since been deleated
Ever since I read this I knew Kurt knew what I was talking about, it is unbeknowns to me why he doesnt want you all to know about this form of grease,
So in between calling me silly names and LOL this slipped out ,I take what I can get, here ya go couldnt have said it better myself
correct fluid that lasts for 30 years "Take it to a shop that knows what they are doing. For $600 you can get a complete knuckle overhaul, with the correct parts and fluid and not worry about your axle for another 30 years"
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This was taken from post 28 on the very first thread when I met Kurt, it has since been deleated
Ever since I read this I knew Kurt knew what I was talking about, it is unbeknowns to me why he doesnt want you all to know about this form of grease,
So in between calling me silly names and LOL this slipped out ,I take what I can get, here ya go couldnt have said it better myself
correct fluid that lasts for 30 years "Take it to a shop that knows what they are doing. For $600 you can get a complete knuckle overhaul, with the correct parts and fluid and not worry about your axle for another 30 years"
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Hmm. I'll have to ask Kurt about that. Someone says "use the correct fluid" and you assume they know what YOU"RE talking about. Again, I've heard all kinds of things about what to put in a closed knuckle, from heavy oil to grease, to some magic blend, etc etc., some of incorrect information from old factory manuals. I've got two different M715 manuals that list two separate substances, and neither of THOSE are the same as the same-year Jeep factory manual. So I guess it's not just Toyota that's out to snowball everyone, it's 1960's-era Jeep-Kaiser as well.
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4554x4
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Something taken out of context means pretty much zip to me. Post the whole thread if you are gonna quote sombody and have it hold water. I promise you, if you are gonna bad mouth someone to promote your product around here you are not gonna get too far.
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Frank, your absolutely right I did say that. But context is king as in that same thread I detailed to you how Toyota's FSM's and my personal experience both align on grease recommendations. I've had nearly dozen of these axles personally not to mention all the customer ones I've worked on in the last 10 years. I have pulled apart axles for the first time since the factory assembled them and found not semi-fluid but something far thicker and noticeably different than that used on wheel bearings. Keep in mind I'm often privy to working on or assisting with very stock, low mileage and un-molested early Cruisers.
I really wish I could come to your defense and say your fluid is in fact not only appropriate but superior to Toyota's recommendation, but I'm yet to see it in use on an axle and given my success with the 'norm' I can't consciously use something different in a customers axle (not to mention I rarely get my hands dirty these days). If/when my personal axles need a rebuild (re-packed/re-placed the last one 4 years ago when I put the new 30 spline Longs in) I would consider trying your product. So in the meantime I'm really looking forward to your article and test results.
Again, sell your product on its merits. Give us some 5k, 10k, 50k, 100k results and updates and post some pics, etc. You've got a hard product to market and I understand that. Whereas things like the Marlin seal sell themselves as many have experienced inner axle seal failure, often at the hands of liberal steering stops, worn inner shaft seal surfaces or birf breakage... Your product has to prove that its better than something that is proven to work, make sense? Kinda like proving crushed ice is better than cubed ice. Both coulda, woulda, mighta worked in the right application.
Write your article, take a ton of pics and give us some actual feedback and updates. All the doubts in the world mean nothing if you show us results and test feedback. I vividly expressed my doubts early on in our conversations but I would love to have to eat my words. Keep in mind I don't have any financial interest either way in fact the way I see it I stand to win either way. Your goop leaks all over and customers buy more axle parts. Your good turns out to be a godsend and everyone will be tearing their knuckles apart to use it... I sell more axle parts. I just don't want you to think I have a stake in the outcome either way as really I don't. I don't sell grease, I don't recommend one brand or the other and I rarely do the work on Cruiser myself these days. Take it as such.
I really wish I could come to your defense and say your fluid is in fact not only appropriate but superior to Toyota's recommendation, but I'm yet to see it in use on an axle and given my success with the 'norm' I can't consciously use something different in a customers axle (not to mention I rarely get my hands dirty these days
). If/when my personal axles need a rebuild (re-packed/re-placed the last one 4 years ago when I put the new 30 spline Longs in) I would consider trying your product. So in the meantime I'm really looking forward to your article and test results.Again, sell your product on its merits. Give us some 5k, 10k, 50k, 100k results and updates and post some pics, etc. You've got a hard product to market and I understand that. Whereas things like the Marlin seal sell themselves as many have experienced inner axle seal failure, often at the hands of liberal steering stops, worn inner shaft seal surfaces or birf breakage... Your product has to prove that its better than something that is proven to work, make sense? Kinda like proving crushed ice is better than cubed ice. Both coulda, woulda, mighta worked in the right application.
Write your article, take a ton of pics and give us some actual feedback and updates. All the doubts in the world mean nothing if you show us results and test feedback. I vividly expressed my doubts early on in our conversations but I would love to have to eat my words. Keep in mind I don't have any financial interest either way in fact the way I see it I stand to win either way. Your goop leaks all over and customers buy more axle parts. Your good turns out to be a godsend and everyone will be tearing their knuckles apart to use it... I sell more axle parts. I just don't want you to think I have a stake in the outcome either way as really I don't. I don't sell grease, I don't recommend one brand or the other and I rarely do the work on Cruiser myself these days. Take it as such.
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Tranny Frank
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There is conflicting information in some of the older books regarding the type of lube, also vague terms, although they all lead the grease monkey to conclude that it is a fluid lube,
The improvements that Toyota made to the design where to contain a semi fluid grease,
Lube flow thru the spindle, this was obvious to me at fist glance but impossible by mainstream thinking, I caught so much flack about that it was unreal,
You want me to prove and test this stuff, why? it has been done, I am a grease monkey not a engineer, Not a inventor, but with my background in general mechanical repair, It was quite apparent that this design was engineered for a fluid lube,.
Some of the problem was I had never worked on a Toyota axle, never heard of a birfield, In the process of speaking with the local Toyota dealership, caught on that there was something odd going on here,
Posted on IH8mush and was astounded at the lack of knowledge on the subject, found out that this mis info was intentional, came over here, Met Kurt, found out he was confused on the subject as well, and decided to try to get the correct info out there,
You see I talk to folks in the real world about this, Grease specialists, Final drive specialist, folks who have been working with these axles all their life, and they understand. , So I have concluded that this is a on line problem
I am in the process of getting all of this info to various magazines, so soon this info from the real world will get on here, sooner or later,
I would like to think that there is some Toyota aftermarket operation that will look into this, but so far, no luck.
It is as simple as this my dear Toyota fans, NO other manufacture recommends a #2 grease for a constant velocity joint, ( thats a birfield)
none, in fact there are plenty of warnings not to do just that,
It has been proven that this form of grease is no good for a CV joint,(thats a birfield)
Every one knows this except for the brainwashed Toyota fan,
Sorry but thats how it is, sooner or later some one will step out of this cool- aid line
There is conflicting information in some of the older books regarding the type of lube, also vague terms, although they all lead the grease monkey to conclude that it is a fluid lube,
The improvements that Toyota made to the design where to contain a semi fluid grease,
Lube flow thru the spindle, this was obvious to me at fist glance but impossible by mainstream thinking, I caught so much flack about that it was unreal,
You want me to prove and test this stuff, why? it has been done, I am a grease monkey not a engineer, Not a inventor, but with my background in general mechanical repair, It was quite apparent that this design was engineered for a fluid lube,.
Some of the problem was I had never worked on a Toyota axle, never heard of a birfield, In the process of speaking with the local Toyota dealership, caught on that there was something odd going on here,
Posted on IH8mush and was astounded at the lack of knowledge on the subject, found out that this mis info was intentional, came over here, Met Kurt, found out he was confused on the subject as well, and decided to try to get the correct info out there,
You see I talk to folks in the real world about this, Grease specialists, Final drive specialist, folks who have been working with these axles all their life, and they understand. , So I have concluded that this is a on line problem
I am in the process of getting all of this info to various magazines, so soon this info from the real world will get on here, sooner or later,
I would like to think that there is some Toyota aftermarket operation that will look into this, but so far, no luck.
It is as simple as this my dear Toyota fans, NO other manufacture recommends a #2 grease for a constant velocity joint, ( thats a birfield)
none, in fact there are plenty of warnings not to do just that,
It has been proven that this form of grease is no good for a CV joint,(thats a birfield)
Every one knows this except for the brainwashed Toyota fan,
Sorry but thats how it is, sooner or later some one will step out of this cool- aid line
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speaking of kool-aid, what is with the no mixing it in a metal container? That has conspiracy written all over it. There are no other drinks you can't mix in a metal container. People who know have done it and it works, probably better than plastic. I am not talking about drink engineers just those of us that drink the stuff everyday. Talk about a brainwashing. Does Toyota own kool-aid? I have concluded it was a packaging problem, I will fight this fight until the world knows. eventually, someone will step out of the C.V./birfield line.
I like this thread. I don't own any toyotas, but am now thinking about it, just to put franks grease in it and join the fight. Stick to your guns frank!
I like this thread. I don't own any toyotas, but am now thinking about it, just to put franks grease in it and join the fight. Stick to your guns frank!
cannoncrawler
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Puff Puff pass.....Puff Puff pas.....
that must be some good stuff
that must be some good stuff
Devel
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i love how kurt has probably typed the same thing a million times and this tranny still doesnt get what he is saying
This right there says it all.
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I love how he keeps throwing Kurt's name around like he and Kurt are on the same page, but yet the only thing he has in an out-of-context quote from Kurt.
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