Tire options? What's best for this application...

Greg

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With the 4Runner getting close to done, I've been thinking about upgrading my wheel & tire combo.

Just to help qualify my needs, the status of the 4Runner will be a street legal, "drive to & from the trail" type of rig. It won't be a daily driver or anything, but I will need it capable of freeway use. No tow rig in my immediate future. Also the 4Runner is no big powerhouse, I'm running a 22RE with 5.29 gears. It probably will struggle at freeway speeds with heavier tires.

I currently have a set of 35" Super Swamper SSR's on black/chrome 15x8" steel wheels.

What I want is some 37" tires, on a 17" rim. (The reason for a 17" rim is because I will probably need the room to clear 1 ton calipers in the future.) Now, I want a lighter tire, with decent road manners, long tire life and of course, at a good price.

The 3 options I have been thinking of are:


  1. 37x14x17 Super Swamper IROKs (bias)
  2. 37x12x17 Goodyear MTR's (radial)
  3. 37x13x17 BFG Krawlers (radial)

IROK Pros: Least expensive ($195-ish), easy to get, light weight.
IROK Cons: Shallow tread, tires wear quickly, bias ply.

MTR Pros: Good road manners, Easy to get (?), not too heavy.
MTR Cons: Semi-expensive, not super aggressive. (Can be found just over $200.)

Krawler Pros: Awesome tire, plenty of tread & beefy
Krawler Cons: Expensive new, hard to get unless used, heavy.

So those are my tire thoughts, what do you think would be best for my needs & why? Personally, I'd love to find a set of slightly used blue label Krawlers, but they seem to be getting rare. The MTR's may be a good all around choice.


I've been debating wheels, I was thinking about a standard aluminum wheel with the Staun tube-beadlocks, rather that a traditional beadlock. Legality isn't a concern in CO, but I rather like the 'sleeper' look. The wheels aren't as big an issue as the tires.
 
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Greg

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Oh, BTW... the axles are a Toyota 8" rear and a Dana 44 front, so weight may make a diffrence as far as breakage is concerned.
 

Caleb

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why not radial Iroks? 37x12.50R17LT is the available Radial size (in that range). I think you'll kill the tread life on the Iroks if they are driven on the street. I know my 39s showed quite a bit of wear and I only drove it from my trailer to my garage.
 

Greg

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Supergper said:
why not radial Iroks? 37x12.50R17LT is the available Radial size (in that range). I think you'll kill the tread life on the Iroks if they are driven on the street. I know my 39s showed quite a bit of wear and I only drove it from my trailer to my garage.



The radials are more $$$, plus bias is beefer. That's why I'd perfer the bias, but I understand bias wears quicker. Either way, I have heard the tire compound on the IROKs isn't very street friendly. The 4Runner will probably see a lot of trips to Moab, which is 90 miles each way. Lots of street tire wear for sure, luckily the rear locker will be selectable, saving wear from tire scuffing.
 

Greg

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Supergper said:
BTW, I just gotta add a :rofl: about the krawlers :D

how many sets of krawlers have you had now? :D


2 pair, some used blues and some new reds. :D Honestly, I think Krawlers would be too much tire for the Toyota. It would probably have a hard time turning them and they'd probably cause alot of breakage.

MTR's are looking pretty good... :-\
 

Caleb

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Greg said:
MTR's are looking pretty good... :-\

yep, on my next rig I will either be running 35 krawlers (if I can find a set for a good deal), 35 MTRs, or plain ole 35" BFG A/T. I think of those choices the MTRs would be best for your situation. They wear good on the road and they still do good offroad, the Iroks I think would wear way too fast and the krawlers would wear fast(er), than the MTRs, and are heavier than the others. Also, by the time you get done with your hybrid axle you may be ready for a new set of tires anyways, and then you could step up to the Krawlers or even a set of Creepy Crawlers :D (why aren't you considering the Maxxis?)
 

Greg

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Supergper said:
...Also, by the time you get done with your hybrid axle you may be ready for a new set of tires anyways, and then you could step up to the Krawlers or even a set of Creepy Crawlers :D (why aren't you considering the Maxxis?)


Creepy Crawlers don't come in 17's, AFAIK. Also, new Maxxis tires are spendy.
 

Tacoma

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I'm with Supergper. I was going to ask, why not BFG's?? they're always on sale somewhere, and it's true that 16's fit over 1ton brake stuff.

but you didn't ask about those, so I'll throw in and second the MTR's out of those choices.

and if any uh.. Maxxis guys are gonna be needing to get rid of a set of 35 or 37" tires, please don't hesitate to PM me. Blazer needs tires. ;)
 

I Lean

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Are you planning on converting to 6-lug when you do your hybrid front axle? Just curious....

Your 'runner will probably like you better on 35's, although I know you don't want to hear that. Also, IMO you won't be able to do anything on 37's you couldn't do on 35's, with the exception of break stuff easier. :D

Of the 3 you gave as options, the MTR's are probably the best bang for the buck of those. The IROK's don't have enough rubber to wear very well, and the Krawlers are gonna be too spendy most likely.
 

Jay5.9L

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you can dothe 36x13.5x15 Irok bias for about $180 per tire. When they are worn out you will be ready for your 1 ton upgrade and 38's.
 

mbryson

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Greg said:
..........I've been debating wheels, I was thinking about a standard aluminum wheel with the Staun tube-beadlocks, rather that a traditional beadlock. Legality isn't a concern in CO, but I rather like the 'sleeper' look. The wheels aren't as big an issue as the tires.


I need to buy some Allieds before June using my certificates. (2) buy one get one free jobbies. I bet we could strike a deal :D
 

Greg

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I Lean said:
Are you planning on converting to 6-lug when you do your hybrid front axle? Just curious....

Your 'runner will probably like you better on 35's, although I know you don't want to hear that. Also, IMO you won't be able to do anything on 37's you couldn't do on 35's, with the exception of break stuff easier. :D

Of the 3 you gave as options, the MTR's are probably the best bang for the buck of those. The IROK's don't have enough rubber to wear very well, and the Krawlers are gonna be too spendy most likely.


Yeah, when the hybrid axle is done I'm going to run a 6 lug rotor on 60 knuckles.

I think you hit the nail on the head about the 35's. I'm getting stuck in the 'bigger is better' mindset. I really need to forget about that and make a streetable, capable rig. :-\

I'm going to see how well I like the current 35" SSR's. They seem like a decent tire, radial, lots of tread, not too spendy.
 

kobyhud

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I dunno... 35s to 37s is a big change assuming you change the compound. IE... 35" mtrs to 37" mtrs... no biggie... 35" mtrs to 37" red label krawlers or creepys... well thats a different story.

I was rudely spanked in moab on 35s by a set of 38" TSLs.... so I have to disagree... there is a difference in capability... some of that capability is magnified by the balls to the walls stupidity that comes from running 1-ton axles though.
 

I Lean

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kobyhud said:
I was rudely spanked in moab on 35s by a set of 38" TSLs.... so I have to disagree... there is a difference in capability... some of that capability is magnified by the balls to the walls stupidity that comes from running 1-ton axles though.

I think more depends on the specific setup than pure tire size. I've been in/with a rig that flat out worked on 35" BFG's. Swapped to 38.5" SX's, and wouldn't climb as well. (hopped more) Another, totally different rig worked GREAT on the exact same tires.

And yes, balls to the walls stupidity is a good way to increase capability as well. :)
 
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