I've been running a set of 37" MTR's on my 4Runner for about 3 years - 22RE and 5.29 gears. Some limited street mileage and alot of trail. They are still 3/4 tread, and the stock Toyota axles have held up to them pretty well (only broken 2 stock birfields in 3 years). They wear well on the road, especially as light as the Toyota is. They have reasonably strong sidewalls - I have yet to puncture one. And after having both 35's and 37's I would definitely say go with the 37's - they do make a difference. I would love a set of Krawlers...maybe when the MTR's are worn out. I had some 35" SSR's before the MTR's - I like the MTR's much better, they are hands-down a better street and wheelin' tire IMHO.
Tire options? What's best for this application...
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Awesome, thanks for all the info guys. Now I really don't know what tire I want!
first of all, the 37" MTR is probably the same size as your 35" SSR's.
I liked my MTR's until the very end. For some reason, after 2 years of hard use, the sidewalls just gave up. Never had any problems until all of a sudden I went through 2 of them. I could drive the rig on the freeway at 70 mph with TR beadlocks and it drove fine---I can't say that for the Creapy Crawlers which wobbled like a drunk fat chick in a foot race.
With the exception of the MTR's, those tires will wear very fast on the road--so I guess it just depends how much you want to sacrifice off-road performance for on-road tread life.
What about X-terrains? They seam fairly road friendly and there seems to be a few people that really like them....
Cody
I liked my MTR's until the very end. For some reason, after 2 years of hard use, the sidewalls just gave up. Never had any problems until all of a sudden I went through 2 of them. I could drive the rig on the freeway at 70 mph with TR beadlocks and it drove fine---I can't say that for the Creapy Crawlers which wobbled like a drunk fat chick in a foot race.
With the exception of the MTR's, those tires will wear very fast on the road--so I guess it just depends how much you want to sacrifice off-road performance for on-road tread life.
What about X-terrains? They seam fairly road friendly and there seems to be a few people that really like them....
Cody
I have some small MTRs on my ZJ and at first they were very quiet. Now they are starting to make a lot more noise even with proper rotation/balance. The ZJ is ny daily commuter and so far they have been much better than expected on the road. Wearing like iron as well.
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Ok, once semi-related question...
Can you fit 15" wheels over a Dana 60 caliper & brake assembly with a little grinding on the caliper?
Can you fit 15" wheels over a Dana 60 caliper & brake assembly with a little grinding on the caliper?
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I Lean said:
That's about what I understood. If I'm not going to run a 15" rim, then I'd rather just go with 17's. But then the 35" tire choices are a bit limited... guess I better get some 37" MTR's.
Thanks Carl!
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Cody said:
I don't know about the size comparison of 35" SSR's and 37" MTR's. The SSR's are pretty squatty and I have had a set of 37" MTR's. I think there could be 2" in diffrence in the 2.
IMO, the Creepy Crawlers seem to compare to a TSL. Not much of a road tire, but excellent offroad. Tread life is a big deal to me, I'm cheap & don't want to but new tires every year.
X-Terrains...
I don't care for them, had a set of 37's in my possesion at one time. Didn't run them, but they just don't float my boat."...wobbled like a drunk fat chick in a foot race"
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camicaztoy
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not to make your chioce any harder, but have you thought about the toyo mts? won a couple of events this year and my understanding is it was with street compounds. evidently good in rocks and a good street tire as well.
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camicaztoy said:
Aren't they only available in a 18" wheel? If so, that limits my beadlock options while making them more expensive. The tires themselves seem pretty decent, look like an MTR to me. I'd imagine they're pretty pricey, too.
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I Lean said:
Hey Carl, is there a model-specific caliper that has less material & is easier to use with a 15" rim?
camicaztoy
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acourding to les schwab they make them in 15, 16,17,18, 20 and they are pretty comperable to the mtr's in price.
wallysheata
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Greg let me throw this out there. Living and wheeling the same trails you will, the super swamper TSL SX seems to be the tire of choice for most EVERYONE in this area. 21 road is regularly muddy and wet till late may/early june, then during summer months for days after heavy rain falls. Yet billings canyon is almost always dry sticky rock. The SX's have proven themselves over and over again in the wet muddy rocks of 21 road, and when grooved, hook up just about like a blue lable krawler on the dry rock. My buddy steve runs the 36x12.5-15 TSL SX, Josh and i used to run 38.5x14.5 SX's, now he runs 42" tsl's and i run 40" tsl's. Jeremy used to run 38" TSl's and now runs 40" Iroks.
The MT/R is a great street tire but will absolutely struggle in the mud and wet on 21 road. Mike has a buggy on 40" MT/R's and a YJ on 37" MT/R's both of which get WORKED when it's wet out here. Where i'm going with this, is the 36x12.5-15 TSL SX in my opinion is a nice fit for your rig. Sure they're a bit rough on the road for the first 10 minutes, but it's not a DD and these can easily be driven on the road. You can air them down to single digit air preasure and not worry about loosing a bead, even at 5-6psi, and in the wet spring mud out here you will have no issues whatsoever
The MT/R is a great street tire but will absolutely struggle in the mud and wet on 21 road. Mike has a buggy on 40" MT/R's and a YJ on 37" MT/R's both of which get WORKED when it's wet out here. Where i'm going with this, is the 36x12.5-15 TSL SX in my opinion is a nice fit for your rig. Sure they're a bit rough on the road for the first 10 minutes, but it's not a DD and these can easily be driven on the road. You can air them down to single digit air preasure and not worry about loosing a bead, even at 5-6psi, and in the wet spring mud out here you will have no issues whatsoever
wallysheata said:
Hey Wally
I'll have to agree with on the SX perspective from experience. My SX's have been the best tire I've had a chance to run so far. They still stick to the rocks in the mud / rain. They just plain rock over all... I've witnessed similar response to Irocs as well, but it's still early for me to for an opinion on them.
The street-ability took some getting used to. The bias would bounce for a while (especially on cold mornings) but after about 5 minutes of driving, they were smooth and felt quite balanced (without any balancing on beadlocks).
Although I am very tempted to try out some Maxxis tires.
wallysheata
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Hi shane You gotta come wheel with us soon, here's some flavor of the trails mr. greg will soon be running
Billings Canyon, Grand Junction, CO
And good ol 21 road in Grand Junction, here's a shot in the spring...notice the RIVER
Here's some in the summer about 4 days after a rain storm, still plenty greasy...notice the pattern of swampers through out the pics.
You gotta come wheel with us soon, here's some flavor of the trails mr. greg will soon be runningBillings Canyon, Grand Junction, CO
And good ol 21 road in Grand Junction, here's a shot in the spring...notice the RIVER
Here's some in the summer about 4 days after a rain storm, still plenty greasy...notice the pattern of swampers through out the pics.
If its for a drive to and from the trail rig, my personal choice would be the BFG Mud Terrains. Every pair of MTRs I have had seem to wear too quickly for me to drive on the street much. All of the BFG Muds I have had have gotten just about 50,000 miles on them, compared to the 30,000 or so out of the MTRs. I am actually going to put the BFG Muds on my Dodge ram, 35 x 12.50 17r, in a few months here to replace the current MTRs. And I also run the BFG Muds in a 35 x 12.50 15r on my Jeep that used to be a daily, but now just a drive to and from the trail rig.
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wallysheata said:
I'd be willing to try some 36" TSL SX's. I know Shane loved his 38's, and a 36" tire should be a bit easier for the little 'Yota to handle. Sounds like a good choice, but I imagine the drive to Moab will be shaky & loud! I do appreciate the opinion of someone who lives in the same area I'll be doing most of my wheelin around. Thanks Wally!
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