To evap or not to evap? That is the question. Motor swap advice needed.

Location
Murray
I'm swapping a 5.3 in to my YJ and can't decide whether or not to keep the emissions system or not? I can have my harness worked up either way.

It is my understanding that legally you can swap a newer engine in to a vehicle and it must pass the emission standards for that vehicle for that year.... correct?

I'm replacing a 1995 2.5l 4cy throttle body injection with a 2004 5.3 multi point injection.

What would you guys do?
 

skippy

Pretend Fabricator
Location
Tooele
Rockchucker on here 5.3 swapped his rig and tried to keep the emissions.... I beleieve in the end he ended up ditching them after alot of heart ache
 

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
Ditch it. That engine will run cleaner than what the YJ ran with the old engine. They should thank you for doing the swap. Delete the evap and EGR from the ECU. You can keep the EGR sitting on top of the engine if you want, plugged in, for good looks, but I doublt anyone will look for it or notice. Delete the rear two O2 sensors. Keep the front two active. Use a cat converter.
 

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
As someone who began an emissions-legal engine swap years ago (5.0L Fox-body Mustang V8 into a 1991 Miata), I have spoken at length with the Department of Air Quality. These are the guys who must personally inspect and test your completed swap, declare it emissions legal, and sign off on it. It would be wise to contact them in advance like I did so that you know what is required. To sum up what they told me:

1: the emissions decal of the recipient vehicle reigns supreme. Whatever it calls out will usually still be required. In other words, if the original engine had EGR then any swapped engine must also have EGR. (This is why I selected a 1.6L Miata as my recipient--that engine never had EGR. The '94+ 1.8L Miata did have EGR, and DAQ said I would have been required to have it on my V8 engine had I selected that newer model.)
2: if you are significantly updating the emissions system (say, going from a '78 carbed engine to a multi-port EFI setup) and the swapped engine runs very clean, you might be able to get a waiver for select "lesser" emission components the recipient vehicle originally needed. Example: a former co-worker pulled the original non-feedback carbed engine from his '79 Subaru Brat and replaced it with a later EFI Subaru engine. His car originally required an air pump, but the new engine ran clean without it so the DAQ granted him a waiver so it was no longer needed to maintain compliance.
3: if your donor engine has additional smog equipment that the recipient vehicle lacked (such as an air pump), you may still need to run it in order to pass a tailpipe test. If you can get the resulting project to pass the test without it, however, you should be fine.

That is a short overall summary. Like I say, for the best possible info it really is worth calling your local DAQ.
 
Last edited:

UNSTUCK

But stuck more often.
Don't forget also, that while there may technically be air quality standards, in the end it's up to your inspector. Likely he won't know what your engine had on it and may or may not know about your new engine. If you don't like the results of the first, try another.
 

TurboMinivan

Still plays with cars
Location
Lehi, UT
Don't forget also, that while there may technically be air quality standards, in the end it's up to your inspector. Likely he won't know what your engine had on it and may or may not know about your new engine. If you don't like the results of the first, try another.

This suggestion sounds fishy, and here's why. When I spoke to Mark at the DAQ in Spanish Fork (my local division location), he made it very clear: the initial inspection can only be performed at your local DAQ. These guys will (supposedly) go over your entire swap very carefully, making sure you have all the required smog hardware and that it is in working order. After they are satisfied with their thorough visual inspection, then they will run it on their tailpipe analyzer to determine that you are genuinely in compliance. If your handiwork also passes that test, then you are finally granted a decal (or whatever) stating you are compliant, and any smog shop yahoo in the state can then renew you in your future annual inspection.

If anyone thinks they can do an engine swap and then just get some high school dropout at the local Jiffy Lube to sign off on it and make it legal, you are sorely mistaken. At least that's what Mark drilled into me. (On the plus side, Mark is a nice guy in general and also something of a car guy, meaning he was trying to tell me everything I'd need to know so I could actually succeed in making my project legal. If anyone wants to call him, his number is 801-851-7600.)
 

Toad

Well-Known Member
Location
Millville(logan)
Every county that requires emissions is slightly different. I own a a shop and also perform emissions testing. For us with obd2 conversions such as my buddies LJ with a 5.3 all I have to do is text the county and inform them that the VIN numbers will be different between what I enter and what is picked up from the scanner. . As long as no codes are present and the readiness monitors have set your good to go(simple tuning). For 1995 and older vehicles in Cache County we are not required to perform a visual to check for missing emissions(this is different from the Wasatch) components EGR, Cat Convertor, canisters etc. As long as the the actual emissions coming from the car meet the standards it passes. I also perform emissions testing for people that live outside of Cache County and that is not a problem.

By the way I am technically a high school drop out. I even got kicked out of my high school auto class. Now I have been in a professional repair career for 15 years and I am currently a shop owner.
 
Location
Murray
Every county that requires emissions is slightly different. I own a a shop and also perform emissions testing. For us with obd2 conversions such as my buddies LJ with a 5.3 all I have to do is text the county and inform them that the VIN numbers will be different between what I enter and what is picked up from the scanner. . As long as no codes are present and the readiness monitors have set your good to go(simple tuning). For 1995 and older vehicles in Cache County we are not required to perform a visual to check for missing emissions(this is different from the Wasatch) components EGR, Cat Convertor, canisters etc. As long as the the actual emissions coming from the car meet the standards it passes. I also perform emissions testing for people that live outside of Cache County and that is not a problem.

By the way I am technically a high school drop out. I even got kicked out of my high school auto class. Now I have been in a professional repair career for 15 years and I am currently a shop owner.

Hey Toad,

on a 95 do they do an OBD2 emissions check or a sniffer check?

I swapped a motor in to my cherokee a long time ago and just ran the a cat and the multi point injection and never had issues with it. I think they just did a sniffer test back then though.

-Chris
 
Top