toyota guys help me

mesha

By endurance we conquer
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A.F.
So my wife wants an old body style 4 runner. She likes the 80s body style. I don't know much about them. Here's what I remember. Before 86 gets you solid axles. After 86 gets you fuel injection, but IFS. 86 can get you either or both. I don't know much else. What should I look for? I don't need to build it into anything extreme I have plenty of those. Motors, Axles, options, any problems more common to certain years? Is there 2 and 4 door? Do all of them have the removable top? Anything else I should know?
thanks ahead of time I don't know about them because I have never owned one.
 

Paul R

Well-Known Member
Location
SLC
You are talking about the first generation 4runners... They are great rigs! :D
All of them are the same body style 84-89 (this is with the removable top)

84 22r (Caburated 4cyl, Solid Axle)
85 22re (Fuel Injected 4cyl, Solid Axle)
86-89 re (Fuel Injected 4cyl, IFS)
I believe in 89 you could get the option for a 3.0 v6.

They are a great truck and if you don't plan on anything extreme they really don't need much. You would want to check out all the normal stuff.

Good luck :)
 

jsudar

Well-Known Member
Location
Cedar Hills
If it has a removeable top, it will be a two door. The four door models weren't available until later and those tops won't come off. If it were me, it would steer clear of the V6. They like to burn exhaust valves around 100k and they had a lot of head gasket problems. Get a 4 cyl 22RE. One of the most reliable, bulletproof engines on the planet. Too bad you can't stick two of them together and make a V8. The 4 cylinders had problems with the timing chains and guides, but that is an easy fix if that happens.

I would probably shoot for a later eighties runner with the removable top with IFS and a 22RE. The IFS isn't that bad for light duty wheeling and it's easy enough to do a SAS later if ya need to.

So that's what the ex Ford technician knows about them. I've worked on enough of them to tell you that much. It'll probably out-wheel your Jeep anyway.
 

jsudar

Well-Known Member
Location
Cedar Hills
by the way-- did you get your truck home from Lehi?

I will save those stubs for you.

I picked up three sets of coil overs today. Probably going to get another set for Joe's weird electric crawler project too.
 

Rot Box

Diesel and Dust
Supporting Member
Location
Smithfield Utah
The broke timing chain guides are a VERY common problem though higher milage ones will have had them replaced. Although they will still run with them broken over time it will eat a hole in a water jacket often mistaked for a blown head gasket... Fairly easy fix though ;)

I don't think you could go wrong with any year 4 cyl 4runner, and I really wouldn't hesitate to buy a higher milage one either. Your wife would probably appreciate the smooth IFS, and EFI though. :D
 

leorn

reset
Location
Roy
A couple of things: 85-89 are not always injected, but it was an option. For a mild vehicle perhaps the solid axle is not necessary??? As you can imagine an 85 EFI commands a premium.

axles:
-8" ring gears (interchangeable front to rear on solid axle vehicles)
-30 spline rears are great axles. The stock 55"wms will rub with wider tires, so a common swap is an 86 and up rear. 58" wms larger drum brakes, and identical otherwise.
stock front birfields as you probably know are a weak link with larger tires. Unless your larger than 33" tires I would leave them in.
-stock 85 steering is push pull and limits droop. Also pulls during breaking if the torque rod is removed. This is solved by crossover steering. (probably not necessary if you get leave the torque rod and sway bar entact.

engine: (22re)
-as mentioned, timing chain typically about every 100,000 miles. You can hear them slapping the timing cover when they are in bad shape.
-valves can come loose and cause chatter - sounds like a diesel when they are loose. Typically easy to service unless a lobe is worn...
-Anemic - 112hp stock. good torque, not much on the high end. But they can achieve freeway speeds. Typically not worth dumping a lot of money into this engine.
-Starter contacts go out. Cheap fix and very accessible.
-Usually good past 200,000 mi with mediocre maintenance, and more if cared for.
-If its in good condition will be around 20mpg

options:
-SR5 models had a little nicer seats, more gauges (rpm etc.)
-inclinometer on some models

I've really enjoyed mine. Good luck!
 

zukking01

Registered User
85 is the last year of the solid axle and the first of the EFI. You can get ones that people have modded for EFI or solid axle but they will be more. The australian models had EFI and solid axle into the late 80's or even early 90's
 

SAMI

Formerly Beardy McGee
Location
SLC, UT
What does that sound like? Also I'm pretty sure there are a few late '84 FourRunners with EFI.

I'll disagree with you here. As stated above, '85 was first year of EFI, and last year of (US model 4runners) solid front axle. Hence the 1985 4runner being the most sought after of the years due to these two components being found in the 1985 model.

You cannot go wrong with a 1st gen 4runner. Easy to work on, parts arer found everywhere and for relatively cheap, easy to lift on a tight budget, and the cool factor is all there in the removable top for summer.

R.I.P. gorgeous '85 of my past :( .... with scary steering

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mesha

By endurance we conquer
Location
A.F.
by the way-- did you get your truck home from Lehi?

I will save those stubs for you.

I picked up three sets of coil overs today. Probably going to get another set for Joe's weird electric crawler project too.

Thanks for the stubs. Yeah I got home fine, but it is still in the shop. I heard about the coilovers. too badI just bought air shocks.

A couple of things: 85-89 are not always injected, but it was an option. For a mild vehicle perhaps the solid axle is not necessary??? As you can imagine an 85 EFI commands a premium.

axles:
-8" ring gears (interchangeable front to rear on solid axle vehicles)
-30 spline rears are great axles. The stock 55"wms will rub with wider tires, so a common swap is an 86 and up rear. 58" wms larger drum brakes, and identical otherwise.
stock front birfields as you probably know are a weak link with larger tires. Unless your larger than 33" tires I would leave them in.
-stock 85 steering is push pull and limits droop. Also pulls during breaking if the torque rod is removed. This is solved by crossover steering. (probably not necessary if you get leave the torque rod and sway bar entact.

engine: (22re)
-as mentioned, timing chain typically about every 100,000 miles. You can hear them slapping the timing cover when they are in bad shape.
-valves can come loose and cause chatter - sounds like a diesel when they are loose. Typically easy to service unless a lobe is worn...
-Anemic - 112hp stock. good torque, not much on the high end. But they can achieve freeway speeds. Typically not worth dumping a lot of money into this engine.
-Starter contacts go out. Cheap fix and very accessible.
-Usually good past 200,000 mi with mediocre maintenance, and more if cared for.
-If its in good condition will be around 20mpg

options:
-SR5 models had a little nicer seats, more gauges (rpm etc.)
-inclinometer on some models

I've really enjoyed mine. Good luck!


Is there a horse power difference with the carb vs. EFI? I would probaly leave the birfs in as I would keep smallish tires. This was alot of help, thanks.
 

OREGON85

from OREGON
I'll disagree with you here. As stated above, '85 was first year of EFI, and last year of (US model 4runners) solid front axle. Hence the 1985 4runner being the most sought after of the years due to these two components being found in the 1985 model.

I could be wrong, however, I had a 4Runner that was built in November of '84 (it also said '84 on the title) with EFI, which could have been swapped in, but it also had speedometer that went to 110mph. The speedometers on the carbed rigs only went to 90mph if I'm not mistaken.

Thats a nice looking 4Runner! Have I seen that on WildYoats?
 

richpblaze

Registered User
I could be wrong, however, I had a 4Runner that was built in November of '84 (it also said '84 on the title) with EFI, which could have been swapped in, but it also had speedometer that went to 110mph. The speedometers on the carbed rigs only went to 90mph if I'm not mistaken.

Thats a nice looking 4Runner! Have I seen that on WildYoats?

That would be an 85
 

Goose

aToYoTa-fREak
Location
A.F. UT.
Im not sure on the runners, but I actually had an 83 truck sr5 that was efi, it was a 22re, but had the old 20r style pistons in it. only one Ive seen. I also had an 84 truck with efi.
Ive only owned one carbed toy. unless your going to convert it to propane, I wouldnt touch a carbed one.
 

leorn

reset
Location
Roy
I had a carbed 85 truck. My biggest gripe was flooding out on hills...truck cuts out on hill...brakes loose power...you get the idea. I understand you can mod the float, but why bother when a little shopping around will yield an efi engine for the same price.

Honestly I had to start knocking doors when I found my 85 runner. I couldn't stomach the prices being asked. So I found a nice older guy that had a new tacoma in the driveway and his old 4runner hadn't moved in months. I talked to him and bought it for $1200. New battery and a tune up and it started right up.

I still stand by the statement that 85 is the first year of efi. Those older models have to be engine swaps...Wish I could find a toyota site to back it up, but this guy is pretty well read. check out the link. http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq/
 

Rot Box

Diesel and Dust
Supporting Member
Location
Smithfield Utah
FWIW: 84 Celica's and 84 2WD's had an optional 22RE...

I've heard rumors of late 84 22RE 4runners, but personally have not seen one :-\

Also the float adjustment, float bowl vent and fuel pressure regulator are a HUGE improvement, but still not as nice as propane ;)
 

cuban b

You're all WEAK SAUCE!
Late 84 manufacture date is an 85, I think the cutoff is august if I remember right.

You want an 85 if possible. Everything newer is cool too, but ifs. Don't get a 3.0 v6. They are poop.

Call me, I want to go test drive 4 runners.
 
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