Water proofing a 4.0 inline 6

Silly Willy

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American Fork Ut
what must be done to the engine other than making the alternator water proofed?

Im planning on building a snorkel so now I just need to find out what else to do.
 

jeepspeedtj

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You cant really waterproof an alternator. They need the cooling of the airflow going through/around them. And in my opinion submerging the motor so far that you need to worry about waterproofing you are going to deep. There are just to many componants that move to try and waterproof the whole motor.

you should be looking into what to do after you submerge your motor. such as oil change wd-40 the dist cap and rotor. Also you need to think about your axles and transfer case and transmission before you go playing down periscope.

In my expeiance water and internal combustion dont mix well.
 

Silly Willy

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American Fork Ut
you should be looking into what to do after you submerge your motor. such as oil change wd-40 the dist cap and rotor. Also you need to think about your axles and transfer case and transmission before you go playing down periscope.

In my expeiance water and internal combustion dont mix well.

I don't quite understand?
 

jeepspeedtj

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You cant really waterproof a rig. What you need to do is figure out what things will need to be done once you have gone swimming.

My advice would be to buy a Submarine. it sounds like you are going for more than the occasional water crossing
 

Silly Willy

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American Fork Ut
but the point of a snorkel is to keep the water out of the intake if you happen to go deeper than the hood.

You cant really waterproof a rig. What you need to do is figure out what things will need to be done once you have gone swimming.

In that case what is recomended to do if I happen to go deeper than recomended?
 

jeepspeedtj

Active Member
when ever i have gone deeper than the hood i always check the oil make sure it is not contaminated. pop the distributer cap off and give it a spray of WD-40. then restart the rig and let it idle for a few minuets to use the engine heat and the fan to dry off the motor.
 

Bear T

Tacoma free since '93
Location
Boulder, mt
The point of a snorkel is not to submerge your motor completely it is to keep water out of the intake.

Snorkels also help in getting the inlet above a dust cloud in group runs. They help in getting clean air.

I agree with jeepspeed, sounds like your wanting to build an XJ sub.

You should never try to cross water that flows over the hood, there are a lot of components of your vehicle lower on the chassis that hate water as much as a motor.

Running longer breather lines from the axles to a high point would be a good place to start. breather line from the t-case and transmission.

If you start crossing water that completely submerges your engine, you risk the chance of stronger currents that can cause the vehicle to roll, or to get swept away.

Not to mention you don't want to run stacks for exhaust and that will still be under water.

Just some ideas.
 

jeepspeedtj

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Snorkels also help in getting the inlet above a dust cloud in group runs. They help in getting clean air.

I agree with jeepspeed, sounds like your wanting to build an XJ sub.

You should never try to cross water that flows over the hood, there are a lot of components of your vehicle lower on the chassis that hate water as much as a motor.

Running longer breather lines from the axles to a high point would be a good place to start. breather line from the t-case and transmission.

If you start crossing water that completely submerges your engine, you risk the chance of stronger currents that can cause the vehicle to roll, or to get swept away.

Not to mention you don't want to run stacks for exhaust and that will still be under water.

Just some ideas.
Thank you for helping me out.

Also you want to look at your fuel system. water in your gas will ruin your day.

Also if you hit the water at speed you run the risk of ripping the fan off of the front of the motor.

Remember that water does not compress.

What is wrong with stacks?
 

Silly Willy

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American Fork Ut
ok, that makes sence. I was just thinking about a way to get my xj ready for it, for one of those "just in case" things, not to necessarily take it swimming just make it so it can go swimming if needed.
 

cruiseroutfit

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but the point of a snorkel is to keep the water out of the intake if you happen to go deeper than the hood...

Not necessarily.

The purpose of snorkel can be broken down into tow major benefits (no counting aesthetics as a benefit ;)), those being water fording protection and induction air. Motors like cool, clean air. Air pulled from within an engine bay can be neither, thus an added benefit that most don't realize with a snorkel.

Many modern vehicles have surprisingly low air cleaner intake pickups, for example a common 4Runner/Tacoma pickup is no more than say 30" off the ground, yet the hood height is 10" higher. A snorkel doesn't guarantee them roof deep water crossings, but it protects them from catastrophic failure in the event you were to dip your passenger side front end into a 3' deep spot in a river crossing per say.

Water protection doesn't stop with a snorkel, you need to make sure your axles, trans, t-case, distributor, compressors and electronics are sealed or vented. Some fellow RME'ers can testify to the time I put the front end of my Land Cruiser into a deep water hole, deeper than I dared cross but the damage was done. Though my cases were all vented, my ARB compressor was not, in the half-minute my front end was submerged my compressor cycled for just a few seconds, filling it full of water and subsequently destroying it. I've now set it up to be vented along with the cases. I'm also running an o-ring sealed dizzy though through the liberal use of silicone I'd think most could achieve the same effect.

A snorkel to me is tool, like a winch, a Pull-Pal, a hi-lift, a Ready-Welder... When the time comes for you to need it, no trail side innovation will effectively nor efficiently replace it, call it cheap insurance.
 

Bear T

Tacoma free since '93
Location
Boulder, mt
ok, that makes sence. I was just thinking about a way to get my xj ready for it, for one of those "just in case" things, not to necessarily take it swimming just make it so it can go swimming if needed.

I've been wheeling for a very long time, not as long as others, but a long time, and have never "NEEDED" a snorkel or anything. Longer breathers, and making sure the axles, t-case, tranny, fuel system, are tight, is a great start.

The best prep for a water crossing isn't really waterproofing, but understanding what happens to the components when the get wet, and how to remedy the situation. I had an old ford that I could park in a puddle with water covering the motor and let idle and nothing would happen. I've had jeeps and others that I could hit a puddle at a walmart and it would kill the motor. go figure.
keeping the distributor dry and water out of the oil and fuel is major keys.



Staks? IMO, ugly, pointless, horrific, but might be interesting to see how you would do it on an XJ.:rofl:
 

solidfrontaxle

Toyota jihad
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Casper, Wyoming
I don't know what Kurt is talking about, snorkels are cockeyd ugly. However, I am a huge fan of both of the reasons for snorkels. I don't like warm nasty air. That will be my main reason for puttin one on the 80.
The secondary reason is to keep water from getting sucked into my intake. It happened once and blew up the engine in my chevy. I was going through a relatively shallow mud puddle that had a deep rut on the passenger (intake) side that I didn't know was under the water. The tire dropped into it, the intake hit the water and I was done.

I have no desire to cross rivers or anything deeper than 3/4 of my tire, but like Silly Willy said, a snorkel is good to have just in case.
 

cruiseroutfit

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I don't know what Kurt is talking about, snorkels are cockeyd ugly...

Ah contrare (sp?), you misread, I think they are neither cool looking nor fugly, they are a tool imo. They do look better on some vehicles than others, and obviously there have been some pretty hack ones installed over the years too. :D
 
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