welding my gears

[Erkal]

I was thinking about welding my spider gears in my rear axle, i was just wondering on how well this will work? is better than a locker or how much worse is it than a locker or are they about the same??

if anybody could give me some info on this i would appreciate it!
suggestions??

 

[Caleb]

well, it depends on your intentions. For purely offroad it does fine for the cost. On road has some crappy characteristics. To say is it as good as a locker isn;t really fair cause soem lockers are full time and some are selectable. To compare it to a spool is as best you can get and a spool is going to be stronger. Like I said though, for the price you can't beat it. I have both my front and rear welded in my buggy and I will be getting selectables as soon as I can afford it.

 

[Greg]

http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=7957&highlight=welding+spider+gears

http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=218&highlight=welding+spider+gears

HTH!

 

[O'neal]

I was thinking about welding my spider gears in my rear axle, i was just wondering on how well this will work? is better than a locker or how much worse is it than a locker or are they about the same??

if anybody could give me some info on this i would appreciate it!
suggestions??

Both my diff's are welded and i've been running my rear around 4-1/2 year's and welded up the front around 2 and have'nt had any problem's,I really dont daily drive it,but they seen their share of mile's.
The way I welded up mine was to clean it really well(car wash worked for me)get some wet rag's,one in each of the splines and I draped one over the ring gear.Welded all four corner's on the spider's,then put some little 3/8ths plate between the spider's and welded them all around.Clean & Weld them up good,then make sure they are clean after you weld,so there isn't slag floating around.

 

[Erkal]

It is mainly gonna be an off road vehicle except for when i drive from camp to a trail when i am in moab but thats probably the most main road action it is gonna get! you say you welded the front end in your buggy? how is that workin for ya?

well, it depends on your intentions. For purely offroad it does fine for the cost. On road has some crappy characteristics. To say is it as good as a locker isn;t really fair cause soem lockers are full time and some are selectable. To compare it to a spool is as best you can get and a spool is going to be stronger. Like I said though, for the price you can't beat it. I have both my front and rear welded in my buggy and I will be getting selectables as soon as I can afford it.

 

[Erkal]

coll thats probably what i will do then! if i have any questions i will let you know!! Thanx

Both my diff's are welded and i've been running my rear around 4-1/2 year's and welded up the front around 2 and have'nt had any problem's,I really dont daily drive it,but they seen their share of mile's.
The way I welded up mine was to clean it really well(car wash worked for me)get some wet rag's,one in each of the splines and I draped one over the ring gear.Welded all four corner's on the spider's,then put some little 3/8ths plate between the spider's and welded them all around.Clean & Weld them up good,then make sure they are clean after you weld,so there isn't slag floating around.

 

[Caleb]

how is that workin for ya?

IMO, it sucks...but I also have slugs so on anything that gets good traction its got a turning radius bigger than a semi...I do have twinstck but that doesn't help much. Offroad its fine but once I get on some slickroad I'm sure it wont be that great. Like I said, as soon as I can afford it I will be getting some selectables, and my front is the first to get changed out.

 

[Erkal]

yeah i probably wont weld the front end i probably will just buy a lockright for it.

IMO, it sucks...but I also have slugs so on anything that gets good traction its got a turning radius bigger than a semi...I do have twinstck but that doesn't help much. Offroad its fine but once I get on some slickroad I'm sure it wont be that great. Like I said, as soon as I can afford it I will be getting some selectables, and my front is the first to get changed out.

 

[Max Power]

If your going to do it, Do it right. I think in the end you will probably regret welding them. I think you would be happier with Lock Right's. Almost everyone I have talked to that have welded them regret it.

 

[Caleb]

If your going to do it, Do it right. I think in the end you will probably regret welding them. I think you would be happier with Lock Right's. Almost everyone I have talked to that have welded them regret it.

I dont think thats true. Welded gears have their place and purpose. Like on my rig, they are welded till I can get the money to get soemthing real. I would rather spend $0.20 on some welding rod or wire and weld them up while I save for something decent, where as I can spend $200+ per axle for a lockright or similar lunch box locker which puts me $400+ farther away from the ultimate goal. If you have hubs up front it will make no difference if its welded and having a welded rear isn't that big of a deal but both will give you much better performace offroad than being open. FWIW, I ahve yet to meet anyone the really "regretted" weldign their gears.

 

[Utahcryogenics]

OK, I want some advise for my situation, I hate to hijack but this is perfect for my interests.
I have a FoolSize Bronco, Solid D44hdhp axle. I cant afford a selectable either, and I have pondered the thought of just running an Aussie, but like Supergpr stated, why spend $250.00 on something that I am just going to turn around and sell anyway???
Fortunatly for me, my Bronco ony sees pavement to and from the trails.
I am interested in welding the front, BUT I have the electronic push button 4wd, and I am afraid that anytime I need to make a tight turn (Having to take it out of 4wd) I am just going to end up killing the solenoid and lose 4wd somewhere in the middle of the trail. Tht would suck balls.
I am eventually going to get a BW1356 manual case but that is just on a list of other crap.

So, my point....Do I risk it and weld it up for better traction, or leave it open so that I am not pushing that damn button 500 times??????

 

[Caleb]

OK, I want some advise for my situation, I hate to hijack but this is perfect for my interests.
I have a FoolSize Bronco, Solid D44hdhp axle. I cant afford a selectable either, and I have pondered the thought of just running an Aussie, but like Supergpr stated, why spend $250.00 on something that I am just going to turn around and sell anyway???
Fortunatly for me, my Bronco ony sees pavement to and from the trails.
I am interested in welding the front, BUT I have the electronic push button 4wd, and I am afraid that anytime I need to make a tight turn (Having to take it out of 4wd) I am just going to end up killing the solenoid and lose 4wd somewhere in the middle of the trail. Tht would suck balls.
I am eventually going to get a BW1356 manual case but that is just on a list of other crap.

So, my point....Do I risk it and weld it up for better traction, or leave it open so that I am not pushing that damn button 500 times??????

I'd say do it. I was out at Rattlesnake today and never had to put it in 2wd for turning purposes. I think you get the point though that, atleast IMO, its not a permanent solution but rather soemthing to get you by till you can afford something worth while.

 

[Utahcryogenics]

Thanks bro. That is actually a great example. If you can get around Rattlesnake then I should be able to do most of the other trails with similar results. I am familiar with Rattlesnake I honestly I appreciate the comparison.

I just happen to have a spare D44 carrier that no one wanted to buy, so I will use that for my Lincoln locker.

Thanks again.

 

[fordy4]

If your going to do it, Do it right. I think in the end you will probably regret welding them. I think you would be happier with Lock Right's. Almost everyone I have talked to that have welded them regret it.

I had a lock right in the rear and hated it, now run a spool rear and love it.
Just my $.02

 

[PBandCJ]

I have read all the links about welding or not welding how scary is it on the road to drive is it going to try and push you stright down the road (snow,ice,and anything nice) or is it going to allow some slight turns(air down a little more than street psi) I have banged my head about this for a long time (usllay on the steering wheel when I can't get up waynes world and WJ zuk is laughing at me) so is a welded rear on an amc 20 good to do or not
Don't really have the money to buy a lock anything but can cover the elect.bill for the power.
any thing good or bad is welcomed

 

[KToy]

welding the rear is the first mod i would do on a rockcrawler.

even if its your daily drive i would weld the rear and street manners are not that bad. i dont know y so many ppl think its a bad idea.


honestly i have front and rear welded d60 front 14 bolt rear and i have yet to have a problem.

steering sucks so i will get a detroit later that ratchets a bit.

but for the rear if my axle did not have a detroit in it originaly i would of welded it. my toy axles i would never buy a locker. weld the rear and locrite the front. chromoly shafts
and be done.

 

[Caleb]

I have read all the links about welding or not welding how scary is it on the road to drive is it going to try and push you stright down the road (snow,ice,and anything nice) or is it going to allow some slight turns(air down a little more than street psi) I have banged my head about this for a long time (usllay on the steering wheel when I can't get up waynes world and WJ zuk is laughing at me) so is a welded rear on an amc 20 good to do or not
Don't really have the money to buy a lock anything but can cover the elect.bill for the power.
any thing good or bad is welcomed

you will steer better then hgiher your psi in your tires. If you have no other options then its better than nothing. I will not ever weld front and rear again but rear only would be fine. On a street rig it does wear tires faster and it is harder on parts in general. I sheared my center pins on my leaf springs on my wrangler while drive on the road taking a corner, kind of a weird feeling having the rear of your rig start to crawl out from under you I contribute that failure 100% to the spool I had in the rear. FWIW

 

[PBandCJ]

the front is welded and has come loss so it's a limi-locker and like it but everyone that it is bad to do but I need something back there

 

[KToy]

i didnt understand that.

but you should do a locrite in the front and weld the rear if you saving money. or weld the front and save very fast for a detroit or trd locker or arb.

 

[PBandCJ]

Sorry the spider gear have broken the weld in one place or another so it works (acts) like a limit slip (limi-locker)