What does it take to 'do' at trail? Oppinion...

[Cody]

I always see this---"my rig has this and this and this and It's done this trail and this trail" etc. etc. But they fully acknowledged that they have taken bypasses around the obstacles or were dragged through. Most recently it was mentioned in a thread on here that a Tracker with a 6" lift and 31's or something has done Pritchett Canyon etc. While I have no doubt that that vehicle could get through pritchet, I have a hard time beliving that it drove itself up over rock pile. I'm in no way calling that vehicle out to defend itself, it's just the most recent example I've read.

In my oppinion, there is no shame in taking a strap on an obstacle (like rock pile for example) and having done that doens't negate your 'completion' of the trail. However, I see people post that they 'did' Rusty Nail, but they bypassed the first obsacle, strapped the second, and drove the third (you just fall off of it)---so did they 'do' Rusty Nail?

So, I guess my question is, even if you bypass the difficult areas of a trail (i.e. the obstacles that actually give the trail a difficult rating in the first place) did you still 'do' that trail? Does your vehicles presence alone on the trail automatically mean you conquered said trail or do you actually have to drive xxx percentage of the trail to legitimately say you've done the trail?

Cody

 

[Meat_]

IMO unless you do EVERY obstacle on the trail you did not "do it" If you bypassed, strapped or winched (unless that obstacle IS a wincher) then you "Did it, but had to bypass __, strap __, winch __"

 

[Kris K]

IMO unless you do EVERY obstacle on the trail you did not "do it" If you bypassed, strapped or winched (unless that obstacle IS a wincher) then you "Did it, but had to bypass __, strap __, winch __"

I agree. Saturday with all the samurai's we went up rattlesnake/Con i made it all the way up to the water fall on Con and turned around. So i figure i haven't done Con, intell i have done the whole trail with out assistance inless it is needed to get through the trail no matter what like, winching up the water fall.

 

[James K]

unless you can do the whole trail in 2WD low range, then I say you haven't done the trail (that was for smith)

I think anyone/vehicle can do a trail, but can you conquer a trail. there is a difference. I mean I can take a Mazda 3 thru prichett. not wise but I can do it as long as I have two rigs with winches and 2 days to waste


I believe in order to say you have conquered said trail you need to do it unassisted. no strap, not someone holding to you with a strap to keep you from flopping by having a person at the end.

the exception in my eyes is a obsticle that requires winching...IE: waterfall on con and the waterfall on upper helldarado. both of which were from the start set up as winch obsticles. Now people have driven both of those obsticles, but that has only come recently.

 

[Brad]

I did Rattlesnake and Constrictor unassisted.







On a CR250.

 

[Cody]

I agree, some obstacles are just impossible for some vehicles---the waterfalls mentioned, also Rock Pile. I think if a vehicle drove every obstacle on Pritchett without stacking tons of rocks or taking straps etc., I think you can say you've done pritchett.

What about rockstacking? So, a wrangler on 31's and open can do pritchett (especially now that the only legitimately difficult obstacle on the first 3/4 of the trail is graded) but how much rockstacking is going to take place? I think if you have to noticably alter an obstacle to get over it then you didn't really get over it (and your an asshole for altering it in the first place).

Cody

 

[James K]

I think if you have to noticably alter an obstacle to get over it then you didn't really get over it (and your an asshole for altering it in the first place).

Cody

I personally have got to the point that I HATE having to stack rocks. It makes me feel I failed at the obsticle.

2 rocks max. if it takes more then maybe you are on the wrong line for the setup you have.

 

[DrMoab]

IMO unless you do EVERY obstacle on the trail you did not "do it" If you bypassed, strapped or winched (unless that obstacle IS a wincher) then you "Did it, but had to bypass __, strap __, winch __"

Well...if this is the case then...I guess nobody who competes actually "did it"
I have never seen a comp where every single rig and spotter did not have a strap attached.

Now as far as bypasses. I agree.

So does this mean that because my wife took a strap with a couple of guys on it this year on Pritchet....to keep the front end down she didn't actually "do" Pritchett? Come on guys thats going a little far dont you think?

Now if we had to winch her over every obstical and she took the bypasses then yup I agree.

Edit: didn't see your second post Cody...haha

 

[Meat_]

What about rockstacking?..

I forgot to mention that, to me that must be added as a disclaimer too ie "I made it up WW but I had to stack some rocks at the bottom"

 

[James K]

comps and trails are 2 different animals.

 

[Meat_]

Well...if this is the case then...I guess nobody who competes actually "did it"
I have never seen a comp where every single rig and spotter did not have a strap attached....

:/ If it's a place where most people need a strap and it is generally understood that most people need to strap then it becomes more "I did it without a strap"

 

[DrMoab]

comps and trails are 2 different animals.

For the most part. But...there are obsticals on trails that can be close to as hard as certian comp obsticals. Personally I don't feel like I have failed a trail if I take a strap once in awhile. Or...if I get stuck or hung up on an obstical and have to either get myself off or ask for a winch. It happens to all of us. Take a wrong line, or get in some stupid situation and need help.

Once again though..I totally agree on stacking rocks.

 

[James K]

For the most part. But...there are obsticals on trails that can be close to as hard as certian comp obsticals. Personally I don't feel like I have failed a trail if I take a strap once in awhile. Or...if I get stuck or hung up on an obstical and have to either get myself off or ask for a winch. It happens to all of us. Take a wrong line, or get in some stupid situation and need help.

Once again though..I totally agree on stacking rocks.

maybe, gray area

but the point of modding our rigs is to make obsticles not get strapped up them.

now if you take a line that is a questionable, all be it that for your rig or your driving skills and screw up, then thats on you

 

[Milner]

Cody you make me

WTF does it really matter?
So what if you did or did not do x trail. Who cares?
Go out and have fun is all that really matters!!

I would MUCH rather be on/or see someone taking a strap or a winch, rather than creating a bypass or tearing the land up. Every one gets in over their head sometimes....BUT if you know you can not "do" the majority of a trail, DON"T try it. Is you ego really fragile enough that you need to kill your rig, inconvience others, and tear up the land, just so you can say you have done x trail. It is sad if so (this is NOT directed at anyone inparticular)

 

[Bone Down]

I will probably end up on just about everyones w(ho)th is this guy list.

But I agree with the concurred the trail versus the I drove the trail.

Now myself being new to the sport and not much into the whole rock crawling scene ( I am more of the 'I want to see Utah's back country explorer kind of person).

I would love to drive prichete with my current set up, however I would by no means run off and tell everyone in a manner that would make it appear that I conquered said trail.

I know that some of you are hard core and think that bypasses are the root of all trail evil, but I think that it is nice to be able to enjoy the same trail as you (the rock crawler or extreme 4x4), and at the very least I could say holy crap that is nuts.

I hope I do not upset to many, but I would like to enjoy the same trails and watch some of you that have taken a great deal of time, money, and ingenuity to get your rigs to the state in which it can conquer some of the extreme obsticles.

I guess what I am saying is it is nice that the bypasses exist only but to allow the new comers or the casual off roader the opportunity to experience the trail, but not to claim "I have done prichete with only x x x x set up.

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[V-DAWG]

Doing a trail- is once, or multiple times, being a driver on a trail.

Doing a trail without assistance- is once, or multiple times, being a driver on a trail without assistance.

If you want to argue schematics- dont know if that word is appropriate, but it sounded good- then how about a spotter? Do they make it so you did not do the trail? Or how about a trail guide? Do you need to navigate the trail on your own? Does GPS ruin it, and make it so you did not navigate the trail on your own?

Like has been said before- WHO CARES? If you don't feel you did well on the trail, do it again. If you don't feel someone else did well, deal with it, cause there is nothing you can do about it.

 

[Bone Down]

If you want to argue schematics- dont know if that word is appropriate, but it sounded good-

I think you wanted symantics (spelling).

 

[James K]

bone down....I can understand what you are trying to say but, that is why different trail ratings exist. you are not going to find a 3 rated trail running parallel to a 5 rated trial.

 

[Cody]

Semantics?

I know it doesn't really matter--neither does 75% of the stuff thats posted on the board.

It doesn't matter. I just think it's funny that people will be like "well my rig with this setup did this trail" because it's a trail that most would assume is more difficult than their vehicle should be able to do. But, in reality, they were on the trail, but they got dragged through because they were out of their league.

Cody

 

[V-DAWG]

I think you wanted symantics (spelling).

You are right- Semantics. I always mess up the big words when I try to dig deep into my vocabulary.