What tires work best for rockcrawling/ mountain trails?

dnchevyman

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Im looking for tires for my 82 dodge 3/4 ton, between 35x14.50 and 38x14.50, i will be wheeling in areas around las vegas, red rock canyon, desert, anywhere i can find. Trails are mountain trails that are littered with boulders, ledges, cliffs, loose hillclimbs, etc. What tires work the best for rockclimbing, and how do they work in the sand? thanks for the help guys.

b.t.w.- would i be better off with a 12.5 or a 14.5 tire?
is bigger better or are 35's better than 38's?
thanks, let me know what you are using or have used and how they work in different terrain.
 

Houndoc

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Take it you are not going to be on snow or ice much? If you are, then I suggest avoiding mud type patterns. The hard, smooth surfaces of them doesn't grip ice worth a darn.
 

mbryson

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Get as big of tire as your axles can handle reliably for something that long (assuming it's a longbed). It will help your breakover angle. For durability the TSL SX is tough to beat for the $$$, but the Maxxis Creepy Crawler and BFG Krawler sound like they could be a better tire for ultimate traction. A Goodyear MT/R could be a good choice if you're worried about road manners, but they won't be quite as durable in the rough rocks from what I hear (I never had any problems with mine, but sandstone and granite are a little different than that sharp, shaley stuff down there). From what I've heard, rocks in AZ, Vegas and Johnson Valley are NASTY and rough on sidewalls.
 

RockMonkey

Suddenly Enthusiastic
I've run just about every brand of tire that exists, and Maxxis are the best. How many road miles will these tires see? Is it mostly a trail rig, or is it a daily driver too. Will you be doing any towing with it?
 

Tacoma

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I have to vote for BFG's, they work reasonably well and last long enough that the buy-in doesn't make you cringe.

That said, I see a set of Maxxis Creepy Crawlers for the trail rig.
 

ut4x4Bronco

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Sahuarita AZ
I have run BFG's, MTR's and Swamper SSR's in Arizona and Moab. My truck weighs 6000+ pounds and I found that I could destroy the BFG side walls at-will. I liked the BFG's for rock crawling in Arizona but I found myself destroying tires on each run. So I switched to MTR's and tryed them breifley. I drove from Tucson to Moab and wheeled with the new MTR's and on my way back to Tucson one MTR went flat in Blanding due toside wall damage. After this I went to Swamper SSR's and they have worked out ok. The lugs get chewed up much more than the BFG/MTR but the side walls hold up for my heavy truck. The rubber on the SSR's is hard and not as good on rocks as the BFG/MTR in my opinion and on wet rocks they are worst. I was told not to, but I drove the Bronco from Tucson to Salt Lake with the SSR's and they did great. I Just kept them aired up, I kept mine at 35 psi for the trip.

Maybe some one can address the 12.5 vs the 14.5 tire size issue.
 

RockMonkey

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ut4x4Bronco said:
I have run BFG's, MTR's and Swamper SSR's in Arizona and Moab. My truck weighs 6000+ pounds and I found that I could destroy the BFG side walls at-will. I liked the BFG's for rock crawling in Arizona but I found myself destroying tires on each run. So I switched to MTR's and tryed them breifley. I drove from Tucson to Moab and wheeled with the new MTR's and on my way back to Tucson one MTR went flat in Blanding due toside wall damage. After this I went to Swamper SSR's and they have worked out ok. The lugs get chewed up much more than the BFG/MTR but the side walls hold up for my heavy truck. The rubber on the SSR's is hard and not as good on rocks as the BFG/MTR in my opinion and on wet rocks they are worst. I was told not to, but I drove the Bronco from Tucson to Salt Lake with the SSR's and they did great. I Just kept them aired up, I kept mine at 35 psi for the trip.

Maybe some one can address the 12.5 vs the 14.5 tire size issue.
Dude, you seriously need to try a set of Maxxis Creepy Crawlers. Not only will they be better in the rocks then any of the tires listed. You will not have problems with durability. So far, not a single Maxxis Creepy Crawler has been destroyed in competition. And I tried really hard a couple times too. :D
 

BCGPER

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Sunny Arizona
I run Maxxis, and you're never going to tear a side wall for sure. I think the MTR has a bit better bite though. I'll probably replace the Maxxis with Goodyears when the time comes, and realize I'll replace them one at a time due to side wall failures. Do you want good traction, or reliability?

RockMonkey said:
Dude, you seriously need to try a set of Maxxis Creepy Crawlers. Not only will they be better in the rocks then any of the tires listed. You will not have problems with durability. So far, not a single Maxxis Creepy Crawler has been destroyed in competition. And I tried really hard a couple times too. :D
 

hammerhead

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Southern Utah
My rig weighs about 4300 pounds and I wheel in southern Utah and in Nevada. I got tired of tearing the sidewalls on every radial I tried. I went with the TSL SXs in 35x15.50-15 and am very pleased with the performance. I noticed a slight decrease in absolute traction and a decrease in highway performance. I have NOT been able to do any substancial damage to the SXs feel the trade off is well worth it. If you wheel in nasty sharp abusive rocks then the toughness of the SX is a plus...
 

gijohn40

too poor to wheel... :(
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Layton, Utah
Just Don"t Buy.....

Don't buy PROCOMP or otherwise known as procrap... I have the third set on my expedition and they only last about 12,000 miles or so... and thats on the freeway... I have done some rock crawling in colorado with them and blew out a sidewall... and even did some down in el paso area where I tore up most the lugs on the sides but didn't blow out any of the sidewalls... I can run them at about 12 psi off road and I run them at 45-50 psi on the road.

My expedition weighs in about 6800 lbs or so depending on the tools I am carrying...

My next tires I'm thinking are going to be fun country II's.... oh yeah I run 35x12.50x17's..... watch the width and run them so that when you turn the front wheels your not striking any steering componets when you turn lock to lock...
 

dnchevyman

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the truck is used only to haul my dirtbike to riding areas, trials and offroad, and maybe hauling parts for my drag car when they come in. Otherwise my bada$$ mittsubiti Galant is my daily driver. so these creepy crawlers, any other people use them that can say weather they are good or not. How do they and other tires compare to boggers on the rocks, ive heard some good thins about boggers on rocks.
 

I Lean

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dnchevyman said:
the truck is used only to haul my dirtbike to riding areas, trials and offroad, and maybe hauling parts for my drag car when they come in. Otherwise my bada$$ mittsubiti Galant is my daily driver. so these creepy crawlers, any other people use them that can say weather they are good or not. How do they and other tires compare to boggers on the rocks, ive heard some good thins about boggers on rocks.

What "good things" exactly have you heard about boggers on rocks? They're not exactly in the same category as the rest of these tires....
 

RedBull_RockIt

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Hauling dirtbikes and running drag car parts sounds a ton more like road miles with SOME trail thrown in. be honest with yourself and own up to how many miles on pavement versus off pavement you'll drive. Then, be honest with yourself about the real trails you will run and whether they will be more of the fun/aggressive fire trail stuff, or the hardcore 1 mile in 8 hours type of trail. The answers to those questions will help you decide on what tire you REALLY need. All of the guys that answer these questions like they have on this thread are just brand blind/starry eyed, for throwing out an answer without first knowing the real question.
In five years and tons of trail and hardcore competition running I have not seen but a few tires of ANY brand puncturd. I run with them all, so trust me that when people say it is one brand of tire over another, it is more realistically one DRIVER over another as good drivers don't pop tires very often. Heck, I haven't carried a spare tire in four years.
I run Pro Comp and have great success. They offer amazing street performance and in many comparison studies, outlast all other brands of light truck tires in road wear. Those that get less miles, are either set up wrong or have something wrong with their rigs.
The Maxxis tires have come on recently with a great lineup of tires. They are sponsoring heavilly to get teams to come to them but once teams have gotten there, they see that the tire, even though it doesn't carry the big brand (yet) is still a good tire.
The Interco tire line is based on the old adage that more is more. and that means in rubber content. The tires are thick and heavy and don't perform as great, but have a durability reputation that was earned, not bought. The Interco tires have a terrible ride on the pavement compared to most and don't grip as well in the rocks, but hey, there's a flipside to everything and that is the fact that they are tough.
The GoodYears and BFG brands all have their plusses and minusses as well. The tires you can get from them are about equal to the above tires I mentioned because you have to remember, that most of the comments on here are coming from guys that run the competition versions of these tires. The street version is quite different.

Again, all of the tires are similar in performance. It SOUNDS to me like you'll be more on the street and fun trail that would fare better with a radial than it would with a Bias. Sure, with the radilas, you'll have a couple of flats, but that will be offset by the length of time you'll get out of a set of radials versus a bias and in the end (3 years) I'll bet that with the driving it APPEARS you'll do, it will be a wash. That said, if it's going to be a wash, then I'd take the road manners of a radial as a perk.

Also, it sounds like you have a heavier truck...check to be sure that the tire you choose has a load rating worthy of your truck...most people with big trucks go out and buy a tire with a "C" load rating and then wonder WHY the tires don't last/work. Like the guy with the Pro Comp issues, I wonder just what tire he put on...when I'm getting 45,000 miles out of the Pro Comps on my tow rig that weighs in at 12,000 lbs and tows another 12,500 lbs on a trailer, I have to wonder why HE had problems and we don't...our tires are off the shelf just as his were. If both my wife and I go YEARS of hardcore competition and trail without tire issues, I have to wonder why HE had problems...heck, we ran the same set of tires for one year on one of our competition rigs and it competed in 22 events, and did 7 weekends of trailruns PLUS Moab EJS.
It most likely came down to putting the wrong tire rating on his rig and then running it at the wrong pressures. I may be wrong, but odds will back my statement that his performance is not due to the BRAND, it is due to the driver and choice of what load rating of a tire to use.
Even in the same brand of tire, there can be different tire ratings.
Sounds to me like you need a "D" rated tire.
 

Tacoma

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far enough away
say all you want about ProComp. The ones on my Blazer didn't last worth a damn, all the lugs have huge chunks ripped off of them and they SUCK in mud/snow/wet pavement. These are the X-terrains, the new AT's maybe alright, but not for the prices they want for them. I will NEVER run them again. They were at the right pressure, right size, rating, all that.

I agree with you about everything else. :)
 

I Lean

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RedBull_RockIt said:
Hauling dirtbikes and running drag car parts sounds a ton more like road miles with SOME trail thrown in. be honest with yourself and own up to how many miles on pavement versus off pavement you'll drive. Then, be honest with yourself about the real trails you will run and whether they will be more of the fun/aggressive fire trail stuff, or the hardcore 1 mile in 8 hours type of trail. The answers to those questions will help you decide on what tire you REALLY need. All of the guys that answer these questions like they have on this thread are just brand blind/starry eyed, for throwing out an answer without first knowing the real question.
In five years and tons of trail and hardcore competition running I have not seen but a few tires of ANY brand puncturd. I run with them all, so trust me that when people say it is one brand of tire over another, it is more realistically one DRIVER over another as good drivers don't pop tires very often. Heck, I haven't carried a spare tire in four years.
I run Pro Comp and have great success. They offer amazing street performance and in many comparison studies, outlast all other brands of light truck tires in road wear. Those that get less miles, are either set up wrong or have something wrong with their rigs.
The Maxxis tires have come on recently with a great lineup of tires. They are sponsoring heavilly to get teams to come to them but once teams have gotten there, they see that the tire, even though it doesn't carry the big brand (yet) is still a good tire.
The Interco tire line is based on the old adage that more is more. and that means in rubber content. The tires are thick and heavy and don't perform as great, but have a durability reputation that was earned, not bought. The Interco tires have a terrible ride on the pavement compared to most and don't grip as well in the rocks, but hey, there's a flipside to everything and that is the fact that they are tough.
The GoodYears and BFG brands all have their plusses and minusses as well. The tires you can get from them are about equal to the above tires I mentioned because you have to remember, that most of the comments on here are coming from guys that run the competition versions of these tires. The street version is quite different.

Again, all of the tires are similar in performance. It SOUNDS to me like you'll be more on the street and fun trail that would fare better with a radial than it would with a Bias. Sure, with the radilas, you'll have a couple of flats, but that will be offset by the length of time you'll get out of a set of radials versus a bias and in the end (3 years) I'll bet that with the driving it APPEARS you'll do, it will be a wash. That said, if it's going to be a wash, then I'd take the road manners of a radial as a perk.

Also, it sounds like you have a heavier truck...check to be sure that the tire you choose has a load rating worthy of your truck...most people with big trucks go out and buy a tire with a "C" load rating and then wonder WHY the tires don't last/work. Like the guy with the Pro Comp issues, I wonder just what tire he put on...when I'm getting 45,000 miles out of the Pro Comps on my tow rig that weighs in at 12,000 lbs and tows another 12,500 lbs on a trailer, I have to wonder why HE had problems and we don't...our tires are off the shelf just as his were. If both my wife and I go YEARS of hardcore competition and trail without tire issues, I have to wonder why HE had problems...heck, we ran the same set of tires for one year on one of our competition rigs and it competed in 22 events, and did 7 weekends of trailruns PLUS Moab EJS.
It most likely came down to putting the wrong tire rating on his rig and then running it at the wrong pressures. I may be wrong, but odds will back my statement that his performance is not due to the BRAND, it is due to the driver and choice of what load rating of a tire to use.
Even in the same brand of tire, there can be different tire ratings.
Sounds to me like you need a "D" rated tire.


I'll disagree with one little nitpicky thing....I've seen plenty of different makes of tires ruined, both in competition and recreation. BFG MT's and GY MTR's a-plenty, Krawlers here and there, Pro-Comp MT's, and even the occasional Swamper. (usually the radial versions there)

You know my brand preference, but I'll go ahead and recommend he runs Boggers anyway. :redneck:
 
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