‘Cash for Clunkers'

Rusted

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I have heard chatter about this as people are afraid that their classic collectibles will be traded in for scrap. I don't really see that happening. But it does look like a crappy old anything car that gets 9 mpg could now be worth $4500 towards a new vehicle.


http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/congress-close-on-cash-for-clunkers/?hp

May 6, 2009, 9:18 am
Congress Close on ‘Cash for Clunkers’
By Ken Belson
After months of debate, Congress appears close to reaching a compromise “Cash for Clunkers” plan that would give consumers up to $4,500 if they turn in their old car and use the money to buy a new, more fuel efficient replacement.

Late Tuesday, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce released a fact sheet that outlines the plan, which includes elements of two competing bills in the House and another in the Senate.

Under the plan, consumers can turn in cars or light-duty trucks that get less than 18 miles a gallon. If they buy cars that have “window sticker” mileage ratings of at least four miles a gallon more than their old cars, they will receive a voucher worth $3,500. If they buy cars that get at least 10 miles a gallon more than their old car, they receive $4,500.

They can get vouchers for turning in light-duty trucks, large light-duty trucks and work trucks as well.

The fact sheet did not say how much the government would commit for the program, which would only run for a year. Yet Congressional Democrats expect about 1 million older cars to be taken off the road, an ambitious number considering that fewer than 100,000 cars have been scrapped in California and Texas, where programs have been in place for several years.


The Senate must still iron out its differences. The president has said he supports a clunkers plan.

But the plan announced on Tuesday was missing key elements of the competing bills in the House that will alter which cars consumers can buy with their vouchers.

The top amount available on the vouchers was lowered from $5,500 to $4,500, which could force consumers to buy more modest cars.

A bill sponsored by Rep. Betty Sutton, Democrat of Ohio, also required that any car purchased with vouchers be assembled in North America. That provision appears to have been dropped, which means imported vehicles could be bought as well.

Another bill sponsored by Rep. Steve Israel, Democrat of New York, and nine other representatives, would have let consumers buy used cars. That clause appears to also have been dropped.

Most noticeably, the mileage ratings of the new cars that consumers buy have been significantly watered down. Under the Israel plan, cars bought with vouchers would have to get 25 percent more than the average combined mileage rating of cars in its class. The Sutton plan said cars had to get at least 27 miles a gallon.

In the compromise plan, cars would have to have a combined fuel rating of 22 miles a gallon. This troubled Mr. Israel, whose plan was endorsed by environmental groups.

“When I first introduced H.R. 520, the Accelerated Retirement of Inefficient Vehicles Act, my idea was to take a giant leap forward in efficiency by asking American drivers to go above and beyond C.A.F.E. standards,” he said in a statement. “Although I wish the compromise had done more to increase efficiency, this program is a step in the right direction.”

The American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, a nonprofit group, issued a press release this morning saying the plan’s fuel standards were too low.

“Federal incentives should promote vehicles with above-average fuel economy, at a minimum, so that American consumers are better prepared for the higher gasoline prices that are likely to return once the current recession ends,” said Steven Nadel, the group’s executive director. “We encourage the full House and the Senate to tighten up the criteria for this program so as to further U.S. energy goals while helping to stimulate auto sales.”

Still, the domestic auto industry appears eager for any plan that puts money in consumers’ hands and leads them to buy new cars.

“Scrappage programs implemented in other countries around the world have proven to be very successful in re-invigorating car and truck sales,” General Motors said in a statement. “The approach of providing vouchers for new vehicle purchases, which is tied to getting older, less efficient vehicles off the road at the same time is a huge win for consumers, the economy and the environment.”
 

Caleb

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Riverton
So you go buy an old POS for <$500, turn it in and get a voucher for $3500-$4500 towards the new car you wanted in the first place. Sounds like a good deal to me :D
 

Shawn

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Holly Day
Makes me wonder if this voucher would void any other deals being offered by the dealer. I wouldn't think so, but.
 

Spork

Tin Foil Hat Equipped
Good little steal from the poor and pay for the rich plan... :spork:

So the question is what happens to the vehicles traded in? Do they get parted out? Crushed? Sold to China? :ugh:
 

Caleb

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Riverton
Makes me wonder if this voucher would void any other deals being offered by the dealer. I wouldn't think so, but.
I wouldn't think so either because this is between you and the gov. not the dealer. But you're right, you never know.
 

bobmed

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Location
sugarliberty
When I installed Dry cleaning machines the govenment made them all change to sealed systems because perclorethylene (dry cleaning solvent)
is one of the chemicals eating the ozone.:ugh:
When the old ones were all taken out in the U.S. they shipped them to Mexico.:eek:
I guess Mexico has different ozone
 

Rusted

Let's Ride!
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Sandy
yes but how many new cars are getting better then 27 mpg? its not like your going to get a nice car of your dreams...

"If they buy cars that get at least 10 miles a gallon more than their old car, they receive $4,500. "

I have seen plenty of old trucks that get (or could get) 7 mpg. A new silverado advertises 21 mpg, so that should qualify
 

solidfrontaxle

Toyota jihad
Location
Casper, Wyoming
When I installed Dry cleaning machines the govenment made them all change to sealed systems because perclorethylene (dry cleaning solvent)
is one of the chemicals eating the ozone.:ugh:
When the old ones were all taken out in the U.S. they shipped them to Mexico.:eek:
I guess Mexico has different ozone

That is an AWESOME story in so many ways! :rofl:




Still makes me sick though. :sick:
 

Chevycrew

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Location
WVC, UT
Bad thing is, everyone will want to sell you their "junker" for 3500-4500 knowing you could get that as trade in...

It will temporarily drive the prices up on unwanted gas guzzlers.
 

Shawn

Just Hanging Out
Location
Holly Day
Bad thing is, everyone will want to sell you their "junker" for 3500-4500 knowing you could get that as trade in...

It will temporarily drive the prices up on unwanted gas guzzlers.

This is a good point. Even now there are people who think their junk is worth that already...
 

Greg

I run a tight ship... wreck
Admin
How hard is it to find a beat-up late 70's, early 80's car though? I like this plan... if we were in the market to buy a car, I'd be looking for a beater to turn in.
 

Chevycrew

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Location
WVC, UT
Im just afraid that 75 chevy 1 ton 4x4 out in the field is now worth 4500 as a trade in. Or the old classics, or anything that is desired.

But, it really might not change anything either...
 
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