1989 Jeep back fire through intake

itsafourdoor

New Member
Here is the back story. Got the jeep a couple weeks ran and drove great, did a tune up on it drove it drove it to get a new window shield in it did that drove it home and still ran great, was getting a little warm on the way home around 230 so i put a 160 t stat in it and changed the coolent and put a new fan in it. Drove it around the block and started back firing through the intake. Did some reading on the forums and thought it might be the cas so put a new one in, still does it next clean the iac still no help thought it might be the tps or o2 sensor so changed those and no help. So i did the start fluid trick on the vac lines and still nothing. If any one has any idea please help. O also it has new injectors fuel system alternater and battery. PLEASE HELP
 

OutlawTJ

Member
Location
Clearfield, Utah
To start need a bit more info.
1) Which motor do you have?
2) How many miles on it?
3) Have you check the timing?
Before you replace anything else check the timing. But can tell you that my 97TJ did close to the same thing and it was in the ECM and I also swapped everything out first.
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
I'm going to guess this is a 89 XJ with a 4.0... Does it have any power when you step on the gas or does it fall on its face as it backfires? Check your fuel pressure. Not just fuel coming out of the schrader valve, but with a pressure gauge. Your fuel filter could be clogged or your pump might have issues. Been through this one myself and let the fact there was fuel at the rail derail my thought process. Mine turned out to be the little piece of hose inside the tank on the pump. It was fuel rotted and pulled off easily without loosening clamps. THere was fuel to start the XJ, but not enough to run it very well.
 

littlyota

Active Member
Location
Roy, Ut
Start at basics and think about what is actually happening. The fuel is igniting in the intake or an intake valve is open at the wrong time. Typically a backfire is going to be cause by timing. There should be nothing in the intake to ignite the fuel.

Could you have possibly swapped a plug wire? Did you rotate the distributor to far one direction when you did a tune up? (would have to be WAY off) This would cause a cylinder to fire when the intake valve is open. Does this happen randomly or all the time?

The only sensors I would consider would be ones that effect timing. I doubt that is the problem, but it is a possibility. I would start by pulling the valve cover and putting it at top dead center. Then visually look at the valves and make sure the ones that are supposed to be closed are actually closed. Rotate the crank slowly watching the valves to make sure they are moving smoothly. I do not remember if this is an overhead cam or not, but you should be able to see something not right.

If you can duplicate the backfire, start removing plugs one at a time till the back fire stops happening. This will at least give you the cylinder that is causing the problem.

Another idea would be to do a leak down test on the cylinders. I bet you will find a sticky valve.

Hope this helps. Don’t over think it, something is happening when it should not be happening. I would chase timing, either a mechanical cause or an electrical cause.


Not ruling it out, but I do not see how low fuel pressure could cause the problem. Easy check, so can't hurt. I just do not see it.

On a side note, I had a YJ doing horrible things. It was the ground wire on the back of the block. I do not remember it backfiring, but ran like crap.
 
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littlyota

Active Member
Location
Roy, Ut
Oh and I forgot to mention, you need to run atleast a 180* thermostat. I do not know for sure about the 89 year, but the 97 TJ's the computer would not go into closed loop till 177*. You if you do not reach this temp, the computer will stay in open loop and not run off the sensors.
 

itsafourdoor

New Member
To start need a bit more info.
1) Which motor do you have?
2) How many miles on it?
3) Have you check the timing?
Before you replace anything else check the timing. But can tell you that my 97TJ did close to the same thing and it was in the ECM and I also swapped everything out first.

it has the 4.0
165k
i have not checked timing
So at ideal it runs a little rough, when i drive with it under 1/4 throttle its fine anything more than that runs like crap.

i will check all the grounds tonight and make sure they are good also thanks for the help.
Not to sound dumb but how would i check the fuel presure it has a full cell in the back with a gm pump and new filter.
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
it has the 4.0
165k
i have not checked timing
So at ideal it runs a little rough, when i drive with it under 1/4 throttle its fine anything more than that runs like crap.

i will check all the grounds tonight and make sure they are good also thanks for the help.
Not to sound dumb but how would i check the fuel presure it has a full cell in the back with a gm pump and new filter.

Precisely why we need to know more information about your rig. Is it a 89 XJ or YJ?
 

itsafourdoor

New Member
so i changed the ecm tonight did not change so got thinking a little bit more about it and it smells like its is super rich, so we took off the fuel return line and no fuel is coming out when u prime it. So then we started and still no fuel so i think the fuel regulatoris bad?? any ideas
 

itsafourdoor

New Member
As I suggested. Put a pressure gauge on the fuel rail...


It has presure to the rail put not return to fuel cell the the regulater is stuck closed. So if it cant return the fuel to the fuel cell the injectors r dumpping as much fuel they can all the time. Tonight i am going to put a new regulater on and see if that works.
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
You have fuel at the rail, but not return, maybe the pressure isn't strong enough to make it past the regulator? Backfiring through the intake would sound like a lean situation, and you complain it doesn't go very good at more than 1/4 throttle...
 
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