sjbrownie4x4
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Does anyone have knowledge about the street legality of mulit point style harnesses? The safety inspection manual (yes I have it in PDF) doesnt mention one way or the other....
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3-4-5 point harness legal?
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I've been nailed twice on the mud flap issue, but they've never even questioned the four points I have.
I have been pulled over twice in my 1995 Trans Am with the excuse that I was not wearing my seatbelts (yeah, right they saw that at 55mph at 10pm while they were going the other way). What they failed to notice was the roll cage with my 5 point harness all hooked up. The expression on their faces (both times) was priceless:
Them: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Me: (Thinking, because you are out of doughnuts.) Saying: No.
Them: You don't have your seatbelt on.
Me: Which one of the five isn't buckled officer?
Them: (Finally leaning in and shining the light on me clearly showing my black belts against my white T-shirt.) Uhhh, Duhhh, Ummm.
Me: I'm sorry, what was that? I couldn't understand that last part.
Them: (Forgetting to run my licence or registration.) Uh, sorry have a nice night.
No cop will ever issue a ticket when faced with the logic that brand new five point harnesses are safer than 30 year old crusty lap belts. The REAL reason that cops want us in belts is that it makes it harder for criminals to rapidly exit a vehicle and that makes work safer for them.
Right now I have lap belts in my 71. As soon as I put on my new cab I am making provisions for 5points!
Budbeater
Them: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Me: (Thinking, because you are out of doughnuts.) Saying: No.
Them: You don't have your seatbelt on.
Me: Which one of the five isn't buckled officer?
Them: (Finally leaning in and shining the light on me clearly showing my black belts against my white T-shirt.) Uhhh, Duhhh, Ummm.
Me: I'm sorry, what was that? I couldn't understand that last part.
Them: (Forgetting to run my licence or registration.) Uh, sorry have a nice night.
No cop will ever issue a ticket when faced with the logic that brand new five point harnesses are safer than 30 year old crusty lap belts. The REAL reason that cops want us in belts is that it makes it harder for criminals to rapidly exit a vehicle and that makes work safer for them.
Right now I have lap belts in my 71. As soon as I put on my new cab I am making provisions for 5points!
Budbeater
If you've truely been stopped because they thought you weren't using a seatbelt then you were harassed. In Utah you can't be stopped for that, only cited for it if you're stopped for another reason & found to be not using your seatbelt. It's a secondary law.
If the safety inspection manual doesn't mention it then there is no reason to be concerned about installing upgraded safety restraints.
If the safety inspection manual doesn't mention it then there is no reason to be concerned about installing upgraded safety restraints.
Tacoma
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well sweet! is there anything in the safety manual about chariot-style wheel razors????
great scott
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notajeep said:
Oh no here it comes, another redo to the whole manual
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RockMonkey
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3 points are stock on just about everything sold in the US for the last 20 years (30?).
Someone mentioned that you can not make your vehicle less safe by installing four or five point harnesses. I just wanted to point out that this is absolutely NOT TRUE. You can install them wrong and make your vehicle a death machine. Obviously your mounting tabs and hardware need to be very secure. That's obvious. Secondly, if you drape your four or five points over the seat and then bolt them to the floor you'll feel all snug and secure, but if you rear-end someone you will be crushed into a little pancake. This is not to say mounting them to the floor is always bad, you just have to drape it over a structural member behind your seat at the right height first. You can very realistically be more injured by your harnesses then you would have been without them, if they are installed incorrectly. You need to do the research and put them in right, or stick with stock belts. If been in quite a few rollovers with stock 3-points and they really hold you very well. If you're not going to do it right, don't mess with the safety systems.
Someone mentioned that you can not make your vehicle less safe by installing four or five point harnesses. I just wanted to point out that this is absolutely NOT TRUE. You can install them wrong and make your vehicle a death machine. Obviously your mounting tabs and hardware need to be very secure. That's obvious. Secondly, if you drape your four or five points over the seat and then bolt them to the floor you'll feel all snug and secure, but if you rear-end someone you will be crushed into a little pancake. This is not to say mounting them to the floor is always bad, you just have to drape it over a structural member behind your seat at the right height first. You can very realistically be more injured by your harnesses then you would have been without them, if they are installed incorrectly. You need to do the research and put them in right, or stick with stock belts. If been in quite a few rollovers with stock 3-points and they really hold you very well. If you're not going to do it right, don't mess with the safety systems.
Rick B said:
I may be totally off on this, but I thought that seat belt laws were secondary laws until they started the "click it or ticket" campaign by which point the law was a primary law. The whole point of the campaign (which I believe started kinda like a pilot program in Hawaii) is that if you aren't wearing a seatbelt you will get pulled over and ticketed. Again, maybe I am off, but that was my understanding
Rickomatic
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This legislature tried to pass a primary seat belt law, but it was shot down. (http://www.le.state.ut.us/~2006/htmdoc/sbillhtm/sb0098.htm) Senate Bill 98 was to amend the seat belt laws and was sent back to committee. So it is still has secondary enforcement and so you must be pulled over for another reason and then the seat belts can be checked.
sjbrownie4x4
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OK, So I have a custom roll cage and wether I go 3 pt stock or upgrade, I need to make attachements for the belt into the cage. Any suggestions for the best methods?
At this point I will be turning and tapping a steel tube, drilling a hole clean through the roll bar and then welding on both sides. Any thoughts?
At this point I will be turning and tapping a steel tube, drilling a hole clean through the roll bar and then welding on both sides. Any thoughts?
RockMonkey
Suddenly Enthusiastic
On mine I have tabs welded to the cage with bolts through them to attach the harnesses. That's pretty typical. Welding a tube through your roll bar will definately work, but I would run a bolt through it, with a nut on the end, rather than tapping the tube itself.sjbrownie4x4 said:
sjbrownie4x4
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Is a small tab sufficient for the forces put on the belt in an accident. I am so green in this area, Ive spent all my time under the hood!
I am imagining a small tab almost like a ear, that you weld to the tube then just bolt the seatbelt mount to that....??
I am imagining a small tab almost like a ear, that you weld to the tube then just bolt the seatbelt mount to that....??
Todd Adams
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- Salt Lake City
If you don't have your seats mounted to the cage then stick with the stock belts. If on the other hand your seats are mounted to the cage then you don't need tabs. They make 5 points that loop around the tubing. This is what we have in ours.sjbrownie4x4 said: