- Location
- Grantsville, Utah
Exactly. It is easier to pay the 7 bucks.griff said:
a ticket in the mail?
- Thread starter SAMI
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maybe you have a warrant out nowWayneXJ said:When I was down there last year a BLM guy stopped me after I did the loop that goes up the slickrock on the right side of the trail just before the waterfall on Poison Spider. He took pictures and wrote down my liscence #, I never heard back from them though
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
Elder SAMI said:
Were they "out-wheeling" the Hummers at the time?
If you do they crime.... pay the fine... don't be a ***** and get a lawyer to bail you out of the fact you broke the law (this REALLY applies on public property that we all suffer from your mistakes!)
XJEEPER
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Highland Springs
Pardon me while I rant.............
This is a new route that was started about 4 years ago, the marked trail goes to the left. I think this topic should focus less on being caught and more about staying on designated trails. Not singling you out Wayne, I've run that line before myself.........
Thinking out loud here for a minute, humor me..........
Moab is under the microscope, with every eco-freako group imaginable peering down on, looking for any opportunity to paint the entire 4WD community as a bunch of drunken, unshaven, mullet-clad, trash droppin', drive-where-you-please, land rapers ............hmmmm, that sounds a lot like what's been observed at Safari and other bigger events in the last few years.....NO?
I guess our options are to stay away from Safari and avoid the association with a minority of yahoos that paint the majority in a bad light......or rally the troops and aggressively educate ourselves and the minority that feel the need to make their own routes and pollute the trails and care less about bad press or land closures, cause they drive where they please anyway.
I miss the obstacles that used to be viewed as open as much as the next guy........Hell's Gate being my favorite , and I'll be the first to admit that I've not always stayed on the marked trail, occassionally taking an obvious alternate route on an obstacle that presented more of a challenge.......but for the last couple of years, I've been very pointed about where I drive and what image I'm portraying for the good of the sport and the 4WD community. I led a group of XJ's up HG a few years ago at our NAXJA event, got international mag press and we caught heat for it too..........but HG was NOT marked as closed at the time. I just hope that this didn't assist in the closure decision. :-\
We all need to adopt this mindset if we haven't already, because like it or not, the folks behind the camera's may not be just BLM employees, many are also card carrying SUWA, Sierra Club and Green party members. You may never see the ticket, but the photo could appear on the SUWA Website and in front of committee while they are lobbying for more Wilderness and trail restrictions.
And that's a fact, Jack.
WayneXJ said:When I was down there last year a BLM guy stopped me after I did the loop that goes up the slickrock on the right side of the trail just before the waterfall on Poison Spider. He took pictures and wrote down my liscence #, I never heard back from them though
This is a new route that was started about 4 years ago, the marked trail goes to the left. I think this topic should focus less on being caught and more about staying on designated trails. Not singling you out Wayne, I've run that line before myself.........
Thinking out loud here for a minute, humor me..........
Moab is under the microscope, with every eco-freako group imaginable peering down on, looking for any opportunity to paint the entire 4WD community as a bunch of drunken, unshaven, mullet-clad, trash droppin', drive-where-you-please, land rapers ............hmmmm, that sounds a lot like what's been observed at Safari and other bigger events in the last few years.....NO?
I guess our options are to stay away from Safari and avoid the association with a minority of yahoos that paint the majority in a bad light......or rally the troops and aggressively educate ourselves and the minority that feel the need to make their own routes and pollute the trails and care less about bad press or land closures, cause they drive where they please anyway.
I miss the obstacles that used to be viewed as open as much as the next guy........Hell's Gate being my favorite
, and I'll be the first to admit that I've not always stayed on the marked trail, occassionally taking an obvious alternate route on an obstacle that presented more of a challenge.......but for the last couple of years, I've been very pointed about where I drive and what image I'm portraying for the good of the sport and the 4WD community. I led a group of XJ's up HG a few years ago at our NAXJA event, got international mag press and we caught heat for it too..........but HG was NOT marked as closed at the time. I just hope that this didn't assist in the closure decision. :-\ We all need to adopt this mindset if we haven't already, because like it or not, the folks behind the camera's may not be just BLM employees, many are also card carrying SUWA, Sierra Club and Green party members. You may never see the ticket, but the photo could appear on the SUWA Website and in front of committee while they are lobbying for more Wilderness and trail restrictions.
And that's a fact, Jack.
- Location
- Sandy, Ut
XJEEPER said:
Very good words!
demon jeep
Banned
- Location
- American fork
Elder SAMI said:
Did they have there suit and ties on, with dark sunglasses.
They didn't go out and get a lawyer, her dad is a very prominant lawyer, with a powerful name :-\ , and the others in the group were members of the FBI, they most definately weren't searching to go off the trail illeagaly, they were simply uneducated. they didn't see an signs or anything . they didn't recieve tickets after they talked with the person for a while and explained the situation. i guarantee you they won't be hitting that obstical in the future knowing now that it is closed.
I think that the main issue here is education, i firmly believe, that while there most definately are drunken rednecks that don't care where they drive, that the majority of the 4 wheel drive community will cooperate and respect where they tread, with the proper education.
Just my .02 of a dollar :-\ take it for what its worth
. they didn't recieve tickets after they talked with the person for a while and explained the situation. i guarantee you they won't be hitting that obstical in the future knowing now that it is closed. I think that the main issue here is education, i firmly believe, that while there most definately are drunken rednecks that don't care where they drive, that the majority of the 4 wheel drive community will cooperate and respect where they tread, with the proper education.
Just my .02 of a dollar :-\ take it for what its worth
A couple (4 -5) years ago we were camping down the the San Rafael Swell (Buckhorn wash, down by Mexican Mountain), well one of the guys that was with us had driven up this wash (we call it the "big red wash" not sure what its name is) that he had been driving up for 20 years. We used to always go up there, park and hten hike. The wash is like 40-60 feet wide and is just bare dirt.
Anyways, I guess htere was a WSA sign there now that he didn't regard. A couple hours later, a ranger rolls into our camp, checks out tires, and issues a ticket to the guy that had driven up the wash. He had pictures of hte tire marks and matched tread.
Obviously he got out of that ticket becaus who knows how many other people have the same tires, but the moral is, they'll go a long ways to give a ticket if they are in the mood.
Cody
Anyways, I guess htere was a WSA sign there now that he didn't regard. A couple hours later, a ranger rolls into our camp, checks out tires, and issues a ticket to the guy that had driven up the wash. He had pictures of hte tire marks and matched tread.
Obviously he got out of that ticket becaus who knows how many other people have the same tires, but the moral is, they'll go a long ways to give a ticket if they are in the mood.
Cody
[/QUOTE]The problem is, (the same problem with "Photo-cop") you cannot prove who is commiting the crime. you can only prove the vehicle.
A few years ago I got a photocop ticket in the mail. I had to drive all the way down from Ogden, sit in the stupid court room for a hour and when I saw the picture, it was the wrong color car. Did they reimburse me for my time and travel?