Adding lighting to my ZJ

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
I recently decided to pull the pin on the light grenade. First, I HATE HATE HATE stock lighting. And ZJ lights are just horrible. I've been through a lot of bulbs over the years and Silverstars are OK, but I always want more. I'm not a fan of always running my foglights just to feel like I'm lighting the road in front of me. I never understood why Jeep had the foglights ABOVE the bumper.

I moved them under the bumper a couple years ago where they work SOOO much better. Funny thing, the foglights on my Jeep sit higher than the headlights on my Neon...

But back to my original thought, I recently tried modifying my headlamp housings to use 9007 bulbs. But I wasn't as happy with that swap as I had been with my old 1987 Caravan. I found out about something new thanks to friends on Facebook. LED technology is pricey and I want to see someone else get some first. But I also found out about somethng called Solux Technology and decided to give them a shot. $40 later, same as Silverstars, and I had some shiny new bulbs to try.

9007 Silverstar left, 9004 Solux middle and 9004 basic bulb right. No, the bulbs are all the same size, the 9004 looks bigger thanks to my bad photography. Quick answer, I will never ever buy Silverstar bulbs again. The Solux bulbs give me a better light at low beam, but are so much better than Silverstars for high beam. Turns out, if you look on Amazon and search for your type of bulb and Eico, they are cheaper... And worth every penny. Still, I want more. Never satisfied, and once the lighting monster bites, too much is never enough... Perhaps its time for some Euro housings. And a HID projector retrofit.

So, with the headlights about at their limits, its time to use the Harbor Freight KC knockoffs I've had for a couple years. I always meant to build a front bumper for... Oh well.

So two weeks ago I called Mark at Detours USA. Had a great conversation after accidentally hanging up on him twice. Lucky for me, he had a pair of A pillar brackets in stock, so I wouldn't have to wait for him to build a set. The link shows XJ brackets, but call him and ask for ZJ pieces and he will work with you. A few days later, I had them in hand and took them to work to paint them. And today, I got them installed and wired up the HF lights.



I used self drilling screws, but will replace them with cheese head Phillips screws and hope the weatherstripping lays better. Might be an issue when going doorless next summer. At highway speeds, I nearly lost the door weatherstripping. I need to finds a better way to hold that down along the light brackets. THese wound up feeling a lot more solid than I expected. Mark at Detours was careful to remind me not to use too long of screws so I wouldn't break my windshield. So I used 1/2" deep screws on the sides and 3/4" on the top.


I think they look pretty good. Although, I did have to cut 1/2" from the mounting bolt so the windshield wouldn't get broken.



I mounted the brackets higher than I wanted to, but I also wanted to minimize light glare off the hood. Mark leaves where you mount them entirely up to you.


About 20' from the garage door. With the fog lights I have up front and close well covered. 9004 Solux bulbs are better than Silverstars, and give me a great low beam, better high beam. And now with the Harbor Freight lights on the A pillars, I have a better distance vision. Lights need better aiming, there is a slope to my driveway. Absolutely can't use these on the street. But cruising the open highway with too much light is pretty cool. Good thing there wasn't any oncoming traffic.

I was going to mount the LED 5" lights I got from Deviant recently. I need to fab something to fit them to the stock ZJ foglight brackets. The LEDs almost work on them, but are just a bit too close to the grill and would be aimed too low to do any good.

But I'm looking forward to having them on the front of the ZJ and in place of foglights on my Neon.

I have a ton of lighting upgrades for my Neon, the LEDs are just a bonus to what I had planned. I'll toss that stuff up here when I get to it even if its my car. It might just help others.
 

N-Smooth

Smooth Gang Founding Member
Location
UT
Looks good. Lighting is always a fun project. I wish I could add more but I would just break them. I have headlights from roundeyes.com and I've been very happy with them
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
I am happy with the light output when I can turn them on. I saw a thread somewhere that they fit HIDs in the Harbor Freight lights. No pics of output though. For pure offroad, though, that might be fun. One thing. The lights are a bit of a pain to look past when turning. Just takes getting used to, like certain cars.
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
Again, sure wish I could use those big lights more.

But I will quickly show the LEDs I got from Deviant on the Neon.


They shine a bit too high for street use, but nobody has flashed me. They certainly shine too high for fog, driving the other night and yesterday morning in the fog showed that.


But they are pretty decent for filling in between low and high beams on the freeway, and they are a bit wider than my aftermarket projector low beams on the Neon.


Now I just need to figure out what to do with this 15" 12* spot... Neon or ZJ? Hmmm...
 

airmanwilliams

Well-Known Member
Location
Provo, Utah
Next you need some rocklights ;)
 

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phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
haha I dd an 03 neon and thinking of putting a bar on the front of it makes me vomit.


A few years back, I had to replace a broken headlamp housing and decided on these Depo housings from Modern Performance. Having a different look doesn't hurt either. Sadly the reflector bowl design isn't optimal for halogen or HID, but the high beam reflector is awesome with Silverstar bulbs. Recently, I did swap in some 6000k bulbs in the projectors and thought they were WAYYY too blue. So I got some 5000k and they were better. My next step with them is to retrofit a bi-xenon projector in place of the existing ones, for the better bowl design more than anything. When I do that I will also get a much better quality HID ballast set too.

Even so, I want more LIGHT... Deviant's LEDs are great, but are limited to clear weather. My car is a base SE model, and didn't come with foglights. I just got a set of projector fogs I'll add sometime soon. Halogen, not HID. And yet, I still want more for crossing Johnson's Pass or running to Wendover... I looked at lightbars and such that the Subaru guys are using. Lots of pricey ways to mount expensive lights, yet not protect the lights at all. That just doesn't make any sense... I've got an idea or two I'm working on. Like Jeremy said, long story.

Rocklights? Really? Though they might make seriously neat courtesy lights...
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
I just have it set in place, kind of a friction fit if you will.



I need to see if I like the light output of the 8" lights versus the LED lightbar. Its pretty much going to come down to light output, since I like the looks of both. Of course there is room for more lights either side of the license plate. And no, you can't see the bar or LEDs from the driver seat.

overkill is a bare minimum...
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
Oh goodness... No, I think I'm passing on the overhead. I never liked having lights overhead anyway. WTF did I start?!!! I did consider cutting the lower grill open for the LED lightbar, and bolt it to the bottom of the crashbar.

Well, I did a lighting test. LED bar versus the 8" lights...

LED bar alone...


8" Procomp lights alone. While I like the solid LED look, I really want light down the road.

I thought I knew how I wanted to mount the pushbar. But I was having a tough time getting things lined up. I think I have a better setup, modeled after Setina brackets for their cop car pushbars... But I might just have outsmarted myself.


I've measured and bent some cardboard, and Like I said, I might be outsmarting myself.

Jeremy, there are folks on a Neon board kind of digging this and want me to get it finished!
 

phatfoto

Giver of bad advice
Location
Tooele
I quit trying to to outsmart myself, and used the simple brackets I made in the first place...

Its not designed to actually push anything, or be towed with. But I suppose I could fix that in time if I see a real need. I only needed to cut the upper grill open an a bit to fit this. Otherwise, it doesn't touch the front fascia.



Finished product...
 
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