Aurora Shooting

[BCGPER]

I'm not sure what the news is reporting in SLC, but since I'm here in Co, I can tell you that your CC permit wouldn't have stopped this nut-job. He launched smoke grenades before he started firing, and was wearing full body armor and a gas mask. Try shooting through smoke, in a dark theatre. Local cops are trying to get into his appartment, but it's full of tripwires and bombs. Face the fact, you can't fight crazy, this shits gonna happen and firing back without knowing the target just means more dead people..

 

[Jeepj667]

My wife brought up a good point. Even if you can't see him just firing your gun into the air should be enough to distract and slow him down.

 

[JL Rockies]

I'm not sure what the news is reporting in SLC, but since I'm here in Co, I can tell you that your CC permit wouldn't have stopped this nut-job. He launched smoke grenades before he started firing, and was wearing full body armor and a gas mask. Try shooting through smoke, in a dark theatre. Local cops are trying to get into his appartment, but it's full of tripwires and bombs. Face the fact, you can't fight crazy, this shits gonna happen and firing back without knowing the target just means more dead people..

You've missed my point completely.

 

[Max Power]

Having seen two movies at that theater while visiting my uncle in Aurora makes it seem more real and not just another tragedy in the news. The families affected will be in my prayers.

 

[Ima9er]

My wife brought up a good point. Even if you can't see him just firing your gun into the air should be enough to distract and slow him down.

in a way. also adding on to this point, a gun discharges a flame when it shoots. if you can't see his "black" suit, you sure in the hell can see his discharge. i have a ccw, and honestly i think it has been the best decision i ever did. no i don't have the police training, but like jeeping i know how to use my gun. and if i ever come across a situation i will have plenty of training to save my life and my family's and hopefully others as well.
there also is attachments you can put on guns to help "see" stuff. my heart goes out to everyone affected, and just like everyone is saying. this is the freedom of choices we have to deal with. criminals will get their choices of weapons no matter what outcome comes out of it. if we lose our right to have guns, they will still get them. if we lose our right to drive, they will still get them. its a shitty cycle.
on a last note my wife used to make fun of me and give me the look of "wtf" are you doing carrying your gun... now i think she has changed her mind about that topic..

 

[muleskinner]

I'm still not sure if this is real or not. The news reported that the theater had a no gun policy. If this is true, how could this occur?

 

[muleskinner]

I'm pretty sure with the movie audio blasting, smoke in the air, and the shooters gunfire, shooting into the air would probably not be noticed by the assailant.

in a way. also adding on to this point, a gun discharges a flame when it shoots. if you can't see his "black" suit, you sure in the hell can see his discharge. i have a ccw, and honestly i think it has been the best decision i ever did. no i don't have the police training, but like jeeping i know how to use my gun. and if i ever come across a situation i will have plenty of training to save my life and my family's and hopefully others as well.
there also is attachments you can put on guns to help "see" stuff. my heart goes out to everyone affected, and just like everyone is saying. this is the freedom of choices we have to deal with. criminals will get their choices of weapons no matter what outcome comes out of it. if we lose our right to have guns, they will still get them. if we lose our right to drive, they will still get them. its a shitty cycle.
on a last note my wife used to make fun of me and give me the look of "wtf" are you doing carrying your gun... now i think she has changed her mind about that topic..

 

[Jinx]

I'm still not sure if this is real or not. The news reported that the theater had a no gun policy. If this is true, how could this occur?

The no gun policy probably helped the crazy guy pick that theater.

Mmmmm. Easy target. No one will be shooting back...

 

[blznnp]

I'm still not sure if this is real or not. The news reported that the theater had a no gun policy. If this is true, how could this occur?

i read somewhere that the guy bought the ticket, then as the movie started walked out the emergency exit and propped it open then came back in and started his attack

 

[driver920]

well i do beleive that if someone would have had a gun this would have been stopped. now not being there i have no idea of the details like where he was walking was he firing at ppl running in circle so on and so forth, but, and this is just my opion, all that would have had to happen is after he passed a row and continued on his shooting spree someone come up from behind and put the muzzle in say and armpit a joint in a neckline a joint in a waistline towards a side and pulled the trigger all body armor has weak and unprotected spots the key to beating it is hitting those spots and as far as the tear gas, yes that would make things difficult but not impossible once you saw what was going on you would have 5 to 10 seconds in a large theater before you be totally over welmed buy the gas because of the mass of the room and i know ppl that have been gassed, LEO to get a feel for it military to get a feel for it and so on and have been told that if you had to you can still function for a few seconds and some guys say it isnt that bad at all, i dont know never been gassed but i do know i can cover alot of grond in a few seconds and i am old and slow there will always be two sides to the debate the ppl that think guns kill ppl and the ppl that think ppl kill ppl i am one of the ppl kill ppl lets be realistic if the nut job couldnt have got a gun a couple of small home made fragmentation bombs could and would have done ALOT more damage and you can get the stuff to make them right at the local hardware store. ppl are going to kill ppl thats just the way it is, guns or no guns, this topic has been debated and till both sides are blue in the face but when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns , dont beleive me look at all the felons that are arested packing it is a felony for them to carry a gun but they still seem to find a way to get them

 

[MikeGyver]

The guy was wearing full body kevlar, some ccw guy with a small caliber handgun would have been toasted by his AR15 or his glock. There were also tear gas grenades smoking away. I am not one to consider standing around and getting shot but it is easy to say you "could" have shot him if you were there.

Yup, a concealed carry dude returning fire would almost certainly result in his own death since he would immediately become the primary target.

 

[Herzog]

Yup, a concealed carry dude returning fire would almost certainly result in his own death since he would immediately become the primary target.

Not necessarily. He was just as blind as everybody else in the room, probably even more-so because of the mask, hence the walk around and spray bullet method he used. Anything that would have broke up his planned routine could have bought even a tiny amount of time for more people to escape and save lives. Getting hit in body armor can still put a person down as much as getting kicked in the chest could. A few rounds in his direction would likely cause him to react and take cover (even though he's armored, pretty natural reaction when engaged) and buy a little time.

But the biggest problem of it all is that anything we say is hindsight and pure chatter as we have no idea how the exact situation played out without being a part of it.

 

[Tacoma]

Things change when the bullets are flying in your direction. I was nearly shot by a helicopter in Afghanistan, my reaction was somewhat different than I had imagined. So who knows what anyone would have done. All these people claiming they'd jump up like a ninja and rip off a couple expertly-placed headshots are mistaken. They wouldn't. They'd wonder why it was taking so long to draw, and why they couldn't see right, and aim right, and press that trigger right, and probably why parts of them seemed not to be working. Chaos has a way of disorienting you. But I digress.

 

[phatfoto]

I hate to say this, but we have plenty of returning military types, getting booted from the service as we draw down. As a vet, I know I'm already under suspicion by Homeland Security. But these combat trained vets will be even more so. Yes, some may go the dark route. Others may push what they have seen and done out of their psyche and live normal lives. But the UPSIDE to my comments are, there are an aweful lot of folks out there today that ARE well trained shoot/don't shoot stress situations. I think any one of them, with a CCW permit might have brought a different ending to this...

 

[muleskinner]

i read somewhere that the guy bought the ticket, then as the movie started walked out the emergency exit and propped it open then came back in and started his attack

Sarcasm.

I carry my gun everywhere. Sign or not. If I see a sign that says no guns, that's an even better reason to carry it.

 

[Ima9er]

Not necessarily. He was just as blind as everybody else in the room, probably even more-so because of the mask, hence the walk around and spray bullet method he used. Anything that would have broke up his planned routine could have bought even a tiny amount of time for more people to escape and save lives. Getting hit in body armor can still put a person down as much as getting kicked in the chest could. A few rounds in his direction would likely cause him to react and take cover (even though he's armored, pretty natural reaction when engaged) and buy a little time.

But the biggest problem of it all is that anything we say is hindsight and pure chatter as we have no idea how the exact situation played out without being a part of it.

that's exactly what i was thinking, you just said it so much better. i agree. it may not have "stopped" the guy, but it would sure have bought some time.

 

[jeeper]

I also try to carry almost every where I go. I cannot say how I will react, or what I would do in a situation. I cannot comment on what others did or didn't do. However, I do know that having my gun, and my wife having her gun and taser gives us more options if for some reason, Heaven Forbid, we are ever caught in a situation. I think all we can do is be prepared, whatever that means to each of us.

Many of you may have seen the video this week of the 71yr old that protected the internet cafe...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sur...arry-holder-opening-fire-on-would-be-robbers/

At 55 seconds in the video you see that this great hero CCW holder shot the robber with a person directly behind the bad guy. Lucky he didn't hit her. The story would have been completely different.. "old man with gun kills innocent woman while robbers escape"

I have found that having a gun eases tension for me. Pre-carry I had a fellow come at me with a hammer. No protection for me, nothing to keep my wife safe. nearly twice my size, had he decided to cause damage to me He would have won.
- I once stopped to help a lady change her flat tire, only to find out the boy friend had slashed her tire as she tried to leave during a fight. Lucky for me he showed up knife and all while I was on the side of the road. Again, much bigger than I. I had no help. Had he decided to fight I would have been over.

Post-Carry:
2 thugs walk into my moms dinner theater through a back door, exchange words/fists with the cook who tried to shew them out. Mom comes running out for help. I step face to face with thugs while calm and collected (knowing I have upper hand if it gets out of control). Through simple words, ignoring their threats, convince them it's time to leave.
No gun needed in the situation, but because I knew I would win I didn't have to act tougher to prove it. I don't want the court battles, the law suits, and other issues if a gun comes out. I want peace. Knowing I have a peace maker if needed, helps me stay calm.

 

[Thursty]

Not necessarily. He was just as blind as everybody else in the room, probably even more-so because of the mask, hence the walk around and spray bullet method he used. Anything that would have broke up his planned routine could have bought even a tiny amount of time for more people to escape and save lives. Getting hit in body armor can still put a person down as much as getting kicked in the chest could. A few rounds in his direction would likely cause him to react and take cover (even though he's armored, pretty natural reaction when engaged) and buy a little time.

But the biggest problem of it all is that anything we say is hindsight and pure chatter as we have no idea how the exact situation played out without being a part of it.

Agreed. Well said.