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It's just over 10 minutes, but full of good info and facts.
It's just over 10 minutes, but full of good info and facts.
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offroaddave
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Everyone should already know all this info.
Anyone who is voting for Obama don't know / care. He's the savior.
Guilty Whites and fat women. I really hate to genaralize, but comon.
He's not the only one mixed up in these scams. But he's the only one running for the highest office in the land.
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Anyone who is voting for Obama don't know / care. He's the savior.
Guilty Whites and fat women. I really hate to genaralize, but comon.
He's not the only one mixed up in these scams. But he's the only one running for the highest office in the land.
:sick::sick::sick:
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It went too fast for me, but I got most of it.
Seth
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Wake up guys. They are all faces on a lost cause. If you choose to dump blame on one side or the other you are missing the larger picture. Washington is broken. The faces you see, every single one of them are just that, a face. None of them are experts in finance, business, socioeconomics etc. Even if they were, there are way too many others that have been perverted by their own interest to stay in office.
Don't buy it. One party did not create this problem. The whole greedy system did. It was Reagan that de-regulated, under staffed regulatory agencies etc. Once it started going down hill the Dems found a pulpit to be the poor guys savior by apposing the change. That just illustrates the short sided nature of politics nothing else. This is just another example of the privatization of wealth and the socialization of loss. It happened with the savings and loans, it happened on 29 it is happening now and it will happen again assuming this country lasts through this issue.
If you watch the markets and listen to Warren Buffet at all you know that savvy investors fall into two groups. Those that have long term stable grown in mind and the get quick bunch. Both groups are an exceedingly small number and wield a great number of dollars. Dollars the politicians want. The politicians need the money from these guys and the issue to stand on. It is a perfect marriage. The sad part is the get quicks are smart, market savvy and understand that they can bend or change the rules for a short time, get rich and get out.
The folks that started this mess are nowhere near it now. They are managing private hedge funds, betting against the market they helped create. They are winning on both sides.
So if you choose to believe that, after the fact, long after the issue could have been fixed some white night is going to ride in on his elephant and correct all of this, you are simply lost.
Nothing has changed, nothing ever will. Those that have the ability to change the rules in their favor will continue to do so. Every action that congress take now is a farce, a picture show, a power grab.
The best part? The best part is that the nobody is focused on the next move. Knight to G2, checkmate! Everyone is too wrapped up in their own lives to notice, to care, to understand. This is what makes everything possible. You go about your daily life, like me, just trying to pay the mortgage. Distracted, with good reason, from the larger game.
My rant is an inditement of the whole corrupt system. If you believe McCain will handle this better then Obamma and that is the deciding issue for you then great vote for him.
My opinion? They are both too late to the party. They are both going to end up doing roughly the same thing. Neither will be effective in correcting the market. It is like trying to put a nut a stripped bolt.
I am just tired of everyone pounding there collective fists. Give me a break.
Don't buy it. One party did not create this problem. The whole greedy system did. It was Reagan that de-regulated, under staffed regulatory agencies etc. Once it started going down hill the Dems found a pulpit to be the poor guys savior by apposing the change. That just illustrates the short sided nature of politics nothing else. This is just another example of the privatization of wealth and the socialization of loss. It happened with the savings and loans, it happened on 29 it is happening now and it will happen again assuming this country lasts through this issue.
If you watch the markets and listen to Warren Buffet at all you know that savvy investors fall into two groups. Those that have long term stable grown in mind and the get quick bunch. Both groups are an exceedingly small number and wield a great number of dollars. Dollars the politicians want. The politicians need the money from these guys and the issue to stand on. It is a perfect marriage. The sad part is the get quicks are smart, market savvy and understand that they can bend or change the rules for a short time, get rich and get out.
The folks that started this mess are nowhere near it now. They are managing private hedge funds, betting against the market they helped create. They are winning on both sides.
So if you choose to believe that, after the fact, long after the issue could have been fixed some white night is going to ride in on his elephant and correct all of this, you are simply lost.
Nothing has changed, nothing ever will. Those that have the ability to change the rules in their favor will continue to do so. Every action that congress take now is a farce, a picture show, a power grab.
The best part? The best part is that the nobody is focused on the next move. Knight to G2, checkmate! Everyone is too wrapped up in their own lives to notice, to care, to understand. This is what makes everything possible. You go about your daily life, like me, just trying to pay the mortgage. Distracted, with good reason, from the larger game.
My rant is an inditement of the whole corrupt system. If you believe McCain will handle this better then Obamma and that is the deciding issue for you then great vote for him.
My opinion? They are both too late to the party. They are both going to end up doing roughly the same thing. Neither will be effective in correcting the market. It is like trying to put a nut a stripped bolt.
I am just tired of everyone pounding there collective fists. Give me a break.
Seth, you make it sound like there is no hope and that is sad. Yes, I agree, the system is broke, but I also know that things will get better. They always do. We all just have to decide which person, or team, will do the best job to lead us out of this mess.
I have my own opinions on how I'll vote based on many different things. I hope others have some research into facts that will help them decide, and not just rely on the media or late night tv shows.
I have my own opinions on how I'll vote based on many different things. I hope others have some research into facts that will help them decide, and not just rely on the media or late night tv shows.
Seth,
All that being said, it still doesn't change the fact that Obama had a very direct role in leading to this huge mess with real estate that we are dealing with at the moment. He sued the banks and forced them to make crappy loans.
I just can't see how anyone can put someone like this in the big seat? Yes I don't McCain is the solution either, but he'll likely not be as destructive and corrosive as Obama.
All that being said, it still doesn't change the fact that Obama had a very direct role in leading to this huge mess with real estate that we are dealing with at the moment. He sued the banks and forced them to make crappy loans.
I just can't see how anyone can put someone like this in the big seat? Yes I don't McCain is the solution either, but he'll likely not be as destructive and corrosive as Obama.
So, does anyone remember the first version of the Bailout and how a percentage of the profits, if any, would go to a group called ACORN? I remember hearing that and wondering who they were. That part of the bill was taken out in the Senate version, thank God.
Here's a little tidbit of info about ACORN.
ACORN's Senator
IbdTue Sep 30, 6:55 PM ET
Election '08: Barack Obama wasn't just the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac political contributions. He was also the senator from ACORN, the activist leader for risky "affirmative action" loans.
Despite efforts to blame the rescue bill's failure on the GOP, it should be remembered that 95 Democrats -- some 40% of the Democratic Caucus -- withheld support. Obama himself also deserves blame -- not only for the bill's failure, but also for the crisis it was designed to solve.
As the New York Times reports, "Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure." Is the reason the fact that the slush fund for ACORN in the original bill, siphoning off 20% of any future profits for such activist groups, was trimmed from the tree?
Obama, who once represented ACORN in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois, was hired by the group to train its community organizers and staff in the methods and tactics of the late Saul Alinsky. ACORN would stage in-your-face protests in bank lobbies, drive-through lanes and even at bank managers' homes to get them to issue risky loans in the inner city or face charges of racism.
In the early 1990s, reports Stanley Kurtz, senior fellow at the Ethics and Policy Center, Obama was personally recruited by Chicago's ACORN to run training sessions in "direct action." That's the euphemism for the techniques used under the cover of the federal Community Reinvestment Act to intimidate financial institutions into giving what have been called "Ninja" loans -- no income, no job, no assets -- to people who couldn't afford them.
CRA was designed to increase minority homeownership. Whenever a bank wanted to grow or expand, ACORN would file complaints that it was not sufficiently sensitive to the needs of minorities in providing home loans. Agitators would then be unleashed.
Chicago's ACORN used Alinsky's tactics against institutions such as Bell Federal Savings and Loan and Avondale Federal Savings. In September 1992, the Chicago Tribune described the group's agenda as "affirmative action lending."
Obama also helped ACORN get funding. When he served on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago with Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, the Woods Fund frequently gave ACORN grants to fund its activist agenda.
In 1995, Kurtz reports, Obama chaired the committee that increased funding of ACORN and other community organizers. The committee report boasted that the fund's "non-ideological" image "enabled the Trustees to make grants to organizations that use confrontational tactics against the business and governmental 'establishments' without undue risk of being accused of partisanship."
The CRA empowered regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority and distressed neighborhoods." It gave groups such as ACORN a license and a means to intimidate banks, claiming they were "redlining" poor and minority neighborhoods. ACORN employed its tactics in 1991 by taking over the House Banking Committee room for two days to protest efforts to scale back the CRA.
As a former White House staff economist writes in the American Thinker, Obama represented ACORN in a 1994 suit against redlining. ACORN was also a driving force behind a 1995 regulatory revision pushed through by the Clinton administration that greatly expanded the CRA and helped spawn the current financial crisis.
Obama was the attorney representing ACORN in this effort. Last November, he told the group, "I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career." Indeed he has. Obama was and is fully aware of what ACORN was doing with the money and expertise he provided. The voters should be aware on Nov. 4 of the roles of both in creating the current crisis.
Here is the source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080930...20080930issues
Here's a little tidbit of info about ACORN.
ACORN's Senator
IbdTue Sep 30, 6:55 PM ET
Election '08: Barack Obama wasn't just the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac political contributions. He was also the senator from ACORN, the activist leader for risky "affirmative action" loans.
Despite efforts to blame the rescue bill's failure on the GOP, it should be remembered that 95 Democrats -- some 40% of the Democratic Caucus -- withheld support. Obama himself also deserves blame -- not only for the bill's failure, but also for the crisis it was designed to solve.
As the New York Times reports, "Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure." Is the reason the fact that the slush fund for ACORN in the original bill, siphoning off 20% of any future profits for such activist groups, was trimmed from the tree?
Obama, who once represented ACORN in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois, was hired by the group to train its community organizers and staff in the methods and tactics of the late Saul Alinsky. ACORN would stage in-your-face protests in bank lobbies, drive-through lanes and even at bank managers' homes to get them to issue risky loans in the inner city or face charges of racism.
In the early 1990s, reports Stanley Kurtz, senior fellow at the Ethics and Policy Center, Obama was personally recruited by Chicago's ACORN to run training sessions in "direct action." That's the euphemism for the techniques used under the cover of the federal Community Reinvestment Act to intimidate financial institutions into giving what have been called "Ninja" loans -- no income, no job, no assets -- to people who couldn't afford them.
CRA was designed to increase minority homeownership. Whenever a bank wanted to grow or expand, ACORN would file complaints that it was not sufficiently sensitive to the needs of minorities in providing home loans. Agitators would then be unleashed.
Chicago's ACORN used Alinsky's tactics against institutions such as Bell Federal Savings and Loan and Avondale Federal Savings. In September 1992, the Chicago Tribune described the group's agenda as "affirmative action lending."
Obama also helped ACORN get funding. When he served on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago with Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers, the Woods Fund frequently gave ACORN grants to fund its activist agenda.
In 1995, Kurtz reports, Obama chaired the committee that increased funding of ACORN and other community organizers. The committee report boasted that the fund's "non-ideological" image "enabled the Trustees to make grants to organizations that use confrontational tactics against the business and governmental 'establishments' without undue risk of being accused of partisanship."
The CRA empowered regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority and distressed neighborhoods." It gave groups such as ACORN a license and a means to intimidate banks, claiming they were "redlining" poor and minority neighborhoods. ACORN employed its tactics in 1991 by taking over the House Banking Committee room for two days to protest efforts to scale back the CRA.
As a former White House staff economist writes in the American Thinker, Obama represented ACORN in a 1994 suit against redlining. ACORN was also a driving force behind a 1995 regulatory revision pushed through by the Clinton administration that greatly expanded the CRA and helped spawn the current financial crisis.
Obama was the attorney representing ACORN in this effort. Last November, he told the group, "I've been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career." Indeed he has. Obama was and is fully aware of what ACORN was doing with the money and expertise he provided. The voters should be aware on Nov. 4 of the roles of both in creating the current crisis.
Here is the source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080930...20080930issues
Seth
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I know, I know pick the lesser of two evils...
The point I am trying to make is that private entities with vast amounts of capital bend the rules to their liking. I really doubt that any one person thought they were doing wrong. Or at the very least they believed that someone would fix the problem before it got out of hand. I am sure that everyone pushing for free market and less oversight believed that they were just making it easier for everyone to make more money. But the disconnect comes in the fact that government move at a snails pace and does not understand the games private industry plays. At least not in this instance. The result is what you have now. A huge bailout that did not need to happen in the first place. I blame everyone. I blame everyone that turned a blind eye to the blatant perversion of the mortgage industry. I blame everyone that jumped on the bandwagon and wanted to be real-estate millionaires with "no money down". Common sense says it can't go on forever. And most of all I blame democrats and republicans that work to stay in office rather than do what is right.
And you are right. I think it is all going down the tubes.
He was a bright guy. And besides even if this plan works what do we have left? China will own untold trillions of US dollars.
My point is this: Forget the faces of politics in america today it is a joke. Politicians are secondary to the fiscal choices Americans have made. Your freedoms and economy are all at the whims of foreign governments boys. Whoever is in the White House is of little consequence. What matters is who holds the gold.
I hope against hope that I am wrong. But I doubt it.
The point I am trying to make is that private entities with vast amounts of capital bend the rules to their liking. I really doubt that any one person thought they were doing wrong. Or at the very least they believed that someone would fix the problem before it got out of hand. I am sure that everyone pushing for free market and less oversight believed that they were just making it easier for everyone to make more money. But the disconnect comes in the fact that government move at a snails pace and does not understand the games private industry plays. At least not in this instance. The result is what you have now. A huge bailout that did not need to happen in the first place. I blame everyone. I blame everyone that turned a blind eye to the blatant perversion of the mortgage industry. I blame everyone that jumped on the bandwagon and wanted to be real-estate millionaires with "no money down". Common sense says it can't go on forever. And most of all I blame democrats and republicans that work to stay in office rather than do what is right.
And you are right. I think it is all going down the tubes.
He was a bright guy. And besides even if this plan works what do we have left? China will own untold trillions of US dollars.
My point is this: Forget the faces of politics in america today it is a joke. Politicians are secondary to the fiscal choices Americans have made. Your freedoms and economy are all at the whims of foreign governments boys. Whoever is in the White House is of little consequence. What matters is who holds the gold.
I hope against hope that I am wrong. But I doubt it.
scoutabout
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ACORN has also been caught involving themselves in highly questionable voter registration campaigns. They've been caught registering known non-citizens, ineligible voters, and dead people. ACORN is fairly active here in Dallas, so I've encountered them a few times. Although they claim to be an advocate for low income citizens, they are almost exclusively focused on black issues in black areas.
waynehartwig
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Good read there, Bart - Thanks!!
And Seth, go have a and veg - you think too much With that line of thinking there is no hope and we might as well submit to socialism. I'm not ready to stop fighting to keep the Obama's out of the white house. If it means I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, then so be it. It's always been that way and I bet it will be for years to come. One thing that is certain is Obama IS evil. He's another Carter, but Carter was just ignorant. Obama knows what he is doing and why $.
For those curious why I brought up Carter - Carter is the reason we are going through this mess some 15-20 years later - can't recall when he signed up Fanny and Freddy.... Bush isn't at fault. Neither is Obama (well actually he is, partially), McCain, Clinton or Bush.
And Seth, go have a
and veg - you think too much With that line of thinking there is no hope and we might as well submit to socialism. I'm not ready to stop fighting to keep the Obama's out of the white house. If it means I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, then so be it. It's always been that way and I bet it will be for years to come. One thing that is certain is Obama IS evil. He's another Carter, but Carter was just ignorant. Obama knows what he is doing and why $.For those curious why I brought up Carter - Carter is the reason we are going through this mess some 15-20 years later - can't recall when he signed up Fanny and Freddy.... Bush isn't at fault. Neither is Obama (well actually he is, partially), McCain, Clinton or Bush.
Seth
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Im not going to change any of my habits Wayne. I don' think the wold is going to end tomorrow. I just know we have been sliding toward socialism for the better part of a century. As much as the window dressing would say other wise.
If you look at the strict deffiniton of the words we are already a socialist country. And the world has not stopped. I don't even care if we are socialist. What I care about is that your hard earned money has been manipulated and diverted to foreign states. I care about the larger implications this holds. I am looking at the macro issues.
But there is nothing I can do about it. It is the way the world works. Many empires before us have done the same thing. It is just sad that we can watch it happen, even with all the history to tell us what not to do, and do nothing about it.
If you look at the strict deffiniton of the words we are already a socialist country. And the world has not stopped. I don't even care if we are socialist. What I care about is that your hard earned money has been manipulated and diverted to foreign states. I care about the larger implications this holds. I am looking at the macro issues.
But there is nothing I can do about it. It is the way the world works. Many empires before us have done the same thing. It is just sad that we can watch it happen, even with all the history to tell us what not to do, and do nothing about it.
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waynehartwig
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We're no where near a socialist country, but at this rate we will be soon - especially if Obama is elected.
While I agree with most of your points, Seth, I don't agree with basically giving up because you have two douchebags running and you have to pick the better smelling one. That's all I'm saying... You know it's a two party system and you know Obama and McCain will get the largest majority of votes. So voting for anyone other than these two will be a waste of time and possibly put the one you really don't want in office - you can decide which that is, to me it's Obama.
While I agree with most of your points, Seth, I don't agree with basically giving up because you have two douchebags running and you have to pick the better smelling one. That's all I'm saying... You know it's a two party system and you know Obama and McCain will get the largest majority of votes. So voting for anyone other than these two will be a waste of time and possibly put the one you really don't want in office - you can decide which that is, to me it's Obama.
offroaddave
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One more
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And Seth, go have a
Not trying to be a ***** here but this is EXACTLY they problem with America. People telling each other that it’s totally fine to have a beer and veg.
It’s a GOOD thing to USE YOUR BRAIN!
I don’t think anyone thinks too much anymore. I think we are over populated with people who just don’t f***ing think at all.
I don’t want either in office. I also think that TV Ads that tell you that if you DONT vote your losing your voice. It's BS, because your voice doesn’t matter anyways. It’s not a negative state of mind, it’s just a fact. Everyone wants butterflies and rainbows and of course lower taxes (which will never happen either) so they will look at the Presidential Candidate to most likely give them that beautiful world.
Just a few paragraphs from an article I found....
Since 1976, only once have more than 55 percent of eligible voters voted—and in 1996 fewer than 50 percent did. Although many, almost most, of us do it, there are always voices attempting to shame us about not voting. If we fail to exercise the franchise, the Statue of Liberty will shed one fat tear, or P. Diddy will kill us.
As the 2000 election showed, it's not only effectively mathematically impossible that one vote could matter: it is politically impossible as well. Imagine the recounts, margins of error, and eventual Supreme Court decision if by some miracle the presidency hung on one vote.
I totally agree with what Seth is stating. It's obvious and the truth. It sucks but it all makes sense. It's also not that he is being negative. Seth is just stating what everyone knows but doesnt want to hear. That not you or I can change how screwed we are. If we could we would make it better, but money talks and if you don’t have a butt load of it then your screwed.
I dont think Americans need to "setttle" anymore for someone they have little faith in or the "lesser of the two evils". We need to recognize that we as a country have been put through enough.Sh** I think our government has put the rest of the world through enough. Stop letting the media dumb you down and make you think that this is a life or death situation because no matter how much each one promises a good life, they are more than likley to bring more death and war. As long as they get paid it doesnt matter.
Both canidates are full of BS
waynehartwig
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As long as this country is operated on a 2 party system, you will be voting democrat or republican into office - period. But it's not the fact that your vote doesn't 'count' - all votes count both physically and emotionaly. I'm sure you have had friends or family fight in a war. I have/do. Those soldiers are fighting and dying for your rights and one of them is to vote - yes, the other is to have the right not to vote. Not voting is like giving up and throwing egg in every soldiers face. I really don't give a **** who you vote for, just get off your ass, spend an hour and go down and vote. I don't care if you want to write in Chuck Norris as long as you vote.
~40% of this country sits on their ass and expects handouts. You better believe they are voting for Obama. Obama wants to give them everything that you and I work our asses for - and for FREE! How does that happen? Increased spending ($1.3 trillion I think I heard) and higher taxes. Higher taxes kill jobs - and that's fact!
Let's do it this way instead... Everytime those liberal tree huggers want to shut down a trail, do you just sit there and say 'welp, my vote doesnt matter' or do you help fight to keep the trails open? Same damn thing... You can either ***** about how things are, or you can change them. I see complaining, so how are you working to change them? For me and many million other Americans, it's voting for the lessor of two evils.
~40% of this country sits on their ass and expects handouts. You better believe they are voting for Obama. Obama wants to give them everything that you and I work our asses for - and for FREE! How does that happen? Increased spending ($1.3 trillion I think I heard) and higher taxes. Higher taxes kill jobs - and that's fact!
Let's do it this way instead... Everytime those liberal tree huggers want to shut down a trail, do you just sit there and say 'welp, my vote doesnt matter' or do you help fight to keep the trails open? Same damn thing... You can either ***** about how things are, or you can change them. I see complaining, so how are you working to change them? For me and many million other Americans, it's voting for the lessor of two evils.
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I started to watch it and shut it off after it was obvious it was just more republican/democrat rhetoric.
Facts? Do you believe everything you read or hear on the internet?
I don't!