Best Buggy Brakes

[Bart]

What have you guys with buggies been using as master cylinders for your brakes?

I ran Wilwoods on one buggy and CNC on my last buggy and have not been that thrilled with either. I really don't want to add a big booster, but I want brakes on this buggy that stop. Is there anything new on the market in the last couple years that kicks butt?

 

[notajeep]

I am using a willwood 1 1/4 master cylinder, and an extra long pedal assambly for more leverage. I'll let you know how this works for me.
On a side note, do you know if D60 brake lines interchange with anything else? checker wants $38 each.

 

[red]

the best braking system to go with is a hydroboost setup that gm and dodge use with their diesels and some 3/4-1 ton gassers. requires the power steering pump as well because thats what runs the brake master cylinder.

 

[Kiel]

I have been looking at those cnc and wilwood ones. They even have those dual ones where it's a split pedal so you don't have to have cutting brakes. I think poly perf. was where I was looking

 

[Caleb]

I ran Wilwood and had excellent brakes. I think it's a matter of matching everything and getting them bled correctly. I bled mine many times and never got the results I wanted, finally I got the little hand vacuum for bleeding brakes and it worked like a charm...and all of a sudden my brakes kicked ass

 

[I Lean]

I liked the predictability of my manual Wilwood's, I just got a too-large bore size. (1" each) It worked great but made for a very stiff pedal. If I'd gone smaller on the bore, the pedal would have moved more and applied more braking force for the same amount of foot force.

 

[mbryson]

I am using a willwood 1 1/4 master cylinder, and an extra long pedal assambly for more leverage. I'll let you know how this works for me.
On a side note, do you know if D60 brake lines interchange with anything else? checker wants $38 each.

I'm pretty sure I'm using the K3500 lines from a '93. (doing a search)

 

[Crinco]

I used a 8" duel diaphram master for mine, I would rate it as 'good', wish it was great. My buggy stops on a dime in high range.... It all depends on the reduction, what kind of numbers are you looking at Bart? 30:1 40:1 150:1 ? Tires? 38? 42? 49?? I am 47:1 with 42" tires and I find that I like to be in neutral coming off a ledge, gravity and engine can be too much after a long day on the trail. I also set up the brakes to work off my left foot, so I am not going back and forth.
If your going much past 50 or 60:1 in gearing, you might really consider the hydro boost, let the engine do the work. Does cost a little more though.
CR

 

[PJTPW]

I'm running CNC's on mine. Factory Ford 1 ton brakes in front, 3/4 ton chev in rear. I think the pedal is a 8.7:1 ratio. I can stop mine in 140:1 (before the torque converter).

It's all about getting the m/c's paired correctly to the calipers.

Ryan

 

[Panos]

dual 7/8's CNC's.....

 

[Bart]

Thanks guys, I leaning toward the dual pedal (one front and one rear) Wilwood set up with remote reservoirs. Can't use a booster because I'm running a Howe TC power steering pump.

The conflict I get is between the 7/8 bore and the 1.125 bore. Some people (Ben Hanks) say the bigger the better. Others like I Lean have a valid argument about the smaller bore. One thing I will do is get the longer swing pedals with the 7.1 ratio.

 

[Milner]

Call me cheap, but, 1/2 ton chev calipers front and rear with a 1 1/32" wilwood mc made for a big mopar car....proportioned 60/40 and 5lb residuals all in the mc! run the lines and be done with it....I have to get on the throttle good before I can overpower them in low.

 

[I Lean]

Call me cheap, but, 1/2 ton chev calipers front and rear with a 1 1/32" wilwood mc made for a big mopar car....proportioned 60/40 and 5lb residuals all in the mc! run the lines and be done with it....I have to get on the throttle good before I can overpower them in low.

Do you have a vacuum booster, or is it manual? (cuz it sounds good)

 

[Milner]

Do you have a vacuum booster, or is it manual? (cuz it sounds good)

Manual....I hate Boosters....bad taste from back in the pre FI days....
I used a sightly longer rod then my stock one....I could tell you how long If I could find the Bronco under the snow!! (Can't even see the blue tarp)
I have used it with both the ford and chev 1/2 ton front calipers and always chev calipers on the rear....Cheap, easy, and it works!!
I have set up a couple other rigs this way with similar results....got a lot of the EB guys doing it too....

 

[I Lean]

Manual....I hate Boosters....bad taste from back in the pre FI days....
I used a sightly longer rod then my stock one....I could tell you how long If I could find the Bronco under the snow!! (Can't even see the blue tarp)
I have used it with both the ford and chev 1/2 ton front calipers and always chev calipers on the rear....Cheap, easy, and it works!!
I have set up a couple other rigs this way with similar results....got a lot of the EB guys doing it too....

Is it this one? http://store.summitracing.com/partd...rt=WIL-260-4894&N=700+400196+115&autoview=sku

I was hoping for something cheaper, if so....

 

[Milner]

Is it this one? http://store.summitracing.com/partd...rt=WIL-260-4894&N=700+400196+115&autoview=sku

I was hoping for something cheaper, if so....

I believe so....It used to be listed for the diskbrake conv for the big mopar cars, but now they list some cheapo that is a smaller bore....

 

[PJTPW]

Thanks guys, I leaning toward the dual pedal (one front and one rear) Wilwood set up with remote reservoirs. Can't use a booster because I'm running a Howe TC power steering pump.

The conflict I get is between the 7/8 bore and the 1.125 bore. Some people (Ben Hanks) say the bigger the better. Others like I Lean have a valid argument about the smaller bore. One thing I will do is get the longer swing pedals with the 7.1 ratio.

With the dual piston Ford calipers and 3/4 ton chev stuff in the rear, I'm running a 3/4" front and 7/8" rear with residual valves. Love it. The issue is that you don't want to go too small and not be able to move enough volume. The CNC m/c's I'm using have travel similiar to the Wilwood high volume m/c's.

I would go with the 7/8" and the high volume m/c's by wilwood or the CNC masters.

Pedal ratio makes a HUGE difference in my experience.

Ryan

 

[Bart]

Interesting idea going with a dual pedal set up, one for front and one for the rear, and going with a smaller bore for the front. Hmmmmm.. Thinking of a 7/8s" front and a 1" rear, both with residual valves.

 

[Kiel]

Interesting idea going with a dual pedal set up, one for front and one for the rear, and going with a smaller bore for the front. Hmmmmm.. Thinking of a 7/8s" front and a 1" rear, both with residual valves.

Yeah dual pedal, that was my idea. The guys buggy from 4low in Crawl magazine had one, got me thinking a while back

 

[Tacoma]

It's a pretty slick idea. I dig it.